Voluntary Workouts

TheOak · 04-18-2021, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

More than last year? This year the players have far more access to off-site training facilities which were not open at all last year. They couldn't even go to local high schools or parks to workout. They will have three preseason games as opposed to none like last year.

The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains.

SmashMouth · 04-18-2021, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains.

Is Kamara preparing for a post football player career as a conditioning coach?

AsylumGuido · 04-18-2021, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains.

I'm comparing it to last year based upon Dude's premise that injuries will be up. All they are planning on holding out of are "voluntary" activities from what I understand. Last year there was virtually no activities at facilities prior to the season. They should at least be more game ready (football conditioning wise) than in 2020.

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2021, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.

The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

TheOak · 04-22-2021, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

A lot of sports are like this Rugs. Sparing is critical for boxing, running on a treadmill doesn't get you ready for a hockey rink.

If I were a player last year and this year, I would lower the weight I normally lift on any exercise by 5-10%, throw in 10 negative reps per set, and only use free weights.

If advanced facilities and equipment equated to fewer injuries then the Cowboys wouldn't be consistently plagued by injures with Jerry's 1.5BN training facility. The issue with the more advanced training facilities is that the free weight area shrinks in favor of machines and while machines are better for a focused muscle group, recovery and rehab, they do a lot less for structural integrity and core groups.

All anyone has to do is watch Rocky IV to see that Drago has the most advanced training available and Rocky beat the piss out of him

SmashMouth · 04-18-2021, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.

I don't believe Tom Brady opts out. Here's an example of opting in, including nutrition. May should check out his side business gigs and nutritional habits.

jnormand · 04-18-2021, 01:22 PM

You'd think that if the Saints were smart, having a real a off season while everyone else is doing stupid virtual training would give them an advantage.

But whatever.

The Dude · 04-18-2021, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

You'd think that if the Saints were smart, having a real a off season while everyone else is doing stupid virtual training would give them an advantage.

But whatever.

Especially since we have new Qb’s and several players who are going to HAVE to step up and elevate their play if we want to win anything. These guys could really benefit from as much togetherness as they can possibly get. Being “in the building” is part of being a team, even if they are separated.

st thomas · 04-18-2021, 01:38 PM

Look like saints are joining the no workout movement

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AsylumGuido · 04-18-2021, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Look like saints are joining the no workout movement

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It is a no "voluntary activities at facility" movement. What they'll be holding out of would be mostly non-contact activities.

04-18-2021, 12:29 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido More than last year? This year the players have far more access to off-site training facilities which were not open at all last year. They couldn't even go to local high schools or parks to workout. They will have three preseason games as opposed to none like last year. The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains. jnormand, SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.

04-18-2021, 12:38 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by TheOak The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains. Is Kamara preparing for a post football player career as a conditioning coach? jeanpierre likes this.

04-18-2021, 12:39 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by TheOak The only player that I’ve see do structural work is Kamara because he does a lot of off balance work. Sleds, straight line running, stadiums, weights, that’s not football conditioning. They would get more football conditioning playing basketball that solo workouts at a field or field house. That gives them strength and stamina but doesn’t condition them for lateral and torsional stresses on ankles, knees, and hips which is why we see so many tweaks and sprains. I'm comparing it to last year based upon Dude's premise that injuries will be up. All they are planning on holding out of are "voluntary" activities from what I understand. Last year there was virtually no activities at facilities prior to the season. They should at least be more game ready (football conditioning wise) than in 2020.

04-21-2021, 11:24 AM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by TheOak It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games. Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball. The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

04-22-2021, 07:37 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing. A lot of sports are like this Rugs. Sparing is critical for boxing, running on a treadmill doesn't get you ready for a hockey rink. If I were a player last year and this year, I would lower the weight I normally lift on any exercise by 5-10%, throw in 10 negative reps per set, and only use free weights. If advanced facilities and equipment equated to fewer injuries then the Cowboys wouldn't be consistently plagued by injures with Jerry's 1.5BN training facility. The issue with the more advanced training facilities is that the free weight area shrinks in favor of machines and while machines are better for a focused muscle group, recovery and rehab, they do a lot less for structural integrity and core groups. All anyone has to do is watch Rocky IV to see that Drago has the most advanced training available and Rocky beat the piss out of him jeanpierre likes this.
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04-18-2021, 11:56 AM	#6
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts. I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities. I don't believe Tom Brady opts out. Here's an example of opting in, including nutrition. May should check out his side business gigs and nutritional habits. jeanpierre likes this.

04-18-2021, 01:22 PM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: Voluntary Workouts You'd think that if the Saints were smart, having a real a off season while everyone else is doing stupid virtual training would give them an advantage. But whatever. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

04-18-2021, 08:49 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by jnormand You'd think that if the Saints were smart, having a real a off season while everyone else is doing stupid virtual training would give them an advantage. But whatever. Especially since we have new Qb’s and several players who are going to HAVE to step up and elevate their play if we want to win anything. These guys could really benefit from as much togetherness as they can possibly get. Being “in the building” is part of being a team, even if they are separated. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.
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04-18-2021, 01:38 PM	#9
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04-18-2021, 02:41 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by st thomas Look like saints are joining the no workout movement Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It is a no "voluntary activities at facility" movement. What they'll be holding out of would be mostly non-contact activities.