Voluntary Workouts

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2021, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.

Ramczyk?

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2021, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.

The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2021, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

He didn't do bad, but he had his moments where he showed his need for growth.

K Major · 04-21-2021, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan

. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football

" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

jeanpierre · 04-21-2021, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

And that's why he was a first round pick...

jeanpierre · 04-21-2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

Know you're like me and you question PFF grading system, but they actually graded him elite, which he was...

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2021, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And that's why he was a first round pick...

Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.

iceshack149 · 04-21-2021, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

An excellent trade for a whiny, injury prone receiver.

TheOak · 04-22-2021, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

A lot of sports are like this Rugs. Sparing is critical for boxing, running on a treadmill doesn't get you ready for a hockey rink.

If I were a player last year and this year, I would lower the weight I normally lift on any exercise by 5-10%, throw in 10 negative reps per set, and only use free weights.

If advanced facilities and equipment equated to fewer injuries then the Cowboys wouldn't be consistently plagued by injures with Jerry's 1.5BN training facility. The issue with the more advanced training facilities is that the free weight area shrinks in favor of machines and while machines are better for a focused muscle group, recovery and rehab, they do a lot less for structural integrity and core groups.

All anyone has to do is watch Rocky IV to see that Drago has the most advanced training available and Rocky beat the piss out of him

jeanpierre · 04-22-2021, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.

And that's why most front office personnel are overpaid, overrated - years of nepotism in the NFL; it's the ole game of it's not what you know, but WHO you know...

First round picks should be starting when you break camp. Elite right away? No. I agree with you on that much...

But they should be starting their rookie year, with maybe the exception of quarterback who definitely has more responsibilities than any other position...

But coaches should play rookies as soon as possible to acclimate them to NFL game speed and gain experience from which they learn, improve...

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready. Ramczyk? jeanpierre and K Major like this.

04-21-2021, 12:24 PM	#32
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by TheOak It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games. Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball. The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

04-21-2021, 12:34 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? He didn't do bad, but he had his moments where he showed his need for growth.

04-21-2021, 01:04 PM	#34
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,624 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? And that's why he was a first round pick... SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.

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04-21-2021, 01:47 PM	#36
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by K Major I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. Know you're like me and you question PFF grading system, but they actually graded him elite, which he was... K Major likes this.

04-21-2021, 02:00 PM	#37
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by jeanpierre And that's why he was a first round pick... Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.

04-21-2021, 03:25 PM	#38
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by K Major I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. An excellent trade for a whiny, injury prone receiver. Rugby Saint II, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

04-22-2021, 08:37 AM	#39
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing. A lot of sports are like this Rugs. Sparing is critical for boxing, running on a treadmill doesn't get you ready for a hockey rink. If I were a player last year and this year, I would lower the weight I normally lift on any exercise by 5-10%, throw in 10 negative reps per set, and only use free weights. If advanced facilities and equipment equated to fewer injuries then the Cowboys wouldn't be consistently plagued by injures with Jerry's 1.5BN training facility. The issue with the more advanced training facilities is that the free weight area shrinks in favor of machines and while machines are better for a focused muscle group, recovery and rehab, they do a lot less for structural integrity and core groups. All anyone has to do is watch Rocky IV to see that Drago has the most advanced training available and Rocky beat the piss out of him jeanpierre likes this.
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04-22-2021, 11:14 AM	#40
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds. And that's why most front office personnel are overpaid, overrated - years of nepotism in the NFL; it's the ole game of it's not what you know, but WHO you know... First round picks should be starting when you break camp. Elite right away? No. I agree with you on that much... But they should be starting their rookie year, with maybe the exception of quarterback who definitely has more responsibilities than any other position... But coaches should play rookies as soon as possible to acclimate them to NFL game speed and gain experience from which they learn, improve...
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