Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

04-30-2021, 01:22 PM

Bust like Davenport. The Saints needed a CB, LB, and DT . The next pick will be an OT.

lee909 · 04-30-2021, 01:33 PM

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Michael Thomas
Vonn Bell
David Onyemata
Daniel Lasco

Marshon Lattimore
Ryan Ramczyk
Marcus Williams
Alvin Kamara
Alex Anzalone
Trey Hendrickson
Al-Quadin Muhammad

Marcus Davenport (+2019 1st)
Tre'Quan Smith
Rick Leonard
Natrell Jamerson
Kamrin Moore
Boston Scott
Will Clapp

Erik McCoy
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
Saquan Hampton
Alize Mack
Kaden Elliss

Cesar Ruiz
Zack Baun
Adam Trautman
Tommy Stevens

Drafting since 2016

Feels they started believing the hype after 2017 and that they are so much clever that other teams. Since that 2017 draft there is only 2 players you can call a out and out success in McCoy and CGJ. Trautman may or may not progress as a starter.

When you want to throw so much cap at just a few very special players you need to be finding solid starting level guys in the draft.

Free agents next year

QB
Winston
Hill

LT
Terron Armstead

RT
Ryan Ramczyk

CB
Lattimore

FS
M. Williams

DE
Carl Granderson

DT
Shy Tuttle

All bar Hill/Winston and Granderson expected to start this year

Cap liabilities in 2022 $188ml with only 30 players

Yeah some will say the 2023 cap will rocket but so will salaries of every player in the league.

The Saints are currently set to pay
Armstead 13ml
Hill 8.9ml
Brees 11.5ml
Winston 3m

Not to be on the roster in 2022, $36.4 million of the cap in dead money.
Even if they resign Armstead,Hill and Winston you only push that forward.

hitta · 04-30-2021, 01:41 PM

I have no issue with drafting another DE, I just don't think he was the best option at the time.

jeanpierre · 04-30-2021, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Is Davenport on the outs? His fifth year option was exercised. His last year as a Saint with this Saints pick?

No. Cam is done. Could see it in his play last year. This allows a one year transition from Cam Jordan to Payton Turner - it's the right move, right candidate...

Maybe not first round pick; but it's time...

FinSaint · 04-30-2021, 02:03 PM

I reserve judgement until the whole draft is done, because it has to be viewed in its entirety along with the following UDFA signings.

I didn't spend any time this year learning about the players entering the draft, so I'm not disappointed by the pick as I have no vested interest in any of the players. Furthermore, I'm actually happy they stayed in their spot and picked the BPA.

Some of the comments here are pretty hyperbole, and while I understand that people are very emotional about everything that has to do with the Saints - I'd wish folks could be more relaxed about it all.

Here I am relaxing after the sauna at my lakeside cabin in Finland drinking beer, wearing a Saints' jersey and waiting for the draft to continue - excited to see who'll join the Saints.

shawnkytonk · 04-30-2021, 02:57 PM

The pick was one of need. Maybe not the biggest need. The limited film I’ve seen has me excited. Fans always think they’re the experts. I always wait for judgement. Just glad we didn’t trade up for a qb.

And I can’t help but laugh at those calling Davenport a bust. It’s obvious you don’t watch football.

K Major · 04-30-2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

In all honesty, I'm not that impressed with this pick.

Deuce put a out tweet right after the draft ended. Three consecutive DEs taken after Turner.

Buffalo, Ravens & Tampa were all eyeing him with a strong possibility of selecting at the end of the first rd.

ChrisXVI · 04-30-2021, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Deuce put a out tweet right after the draft ended. Three consecutive DEs taken after Turner.

Buffalo, Ravens & Tampa were all eyeing him with a strong possibility of selecting at the end of the first rd.

Well that’s just it... I despised Jayson Oweh as a prospect. He doesn’t have a single pass rush move lol. I’m just happy we didn’t take him.

SmashMouth · 04-30-2021, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I reserve judgement until the whole draft is done, because it has to be viewed in its entirety along with the following UDFA signings.

I didn't spend any time this year learning about the players entering the draft, so I'm not disappointed by the pick as I have no vested interest in any of the players. Furthermore, I'm actually happy they stayed in their spot and picked the BPA.

Some of the comments here are pretty hyperbole, and while I understand that people are very emotional about everything that has to do with the Saints - I'd wish folks could be more relaxed about it all.

Here I am relaxing after the sauna at my lakeside cabin in Finland drinking beer, wearing a Saints' jersey and waiting for the draft to continue - excited to see who'll join the Saints.

Do you have your own island like so many of the locals there?

I've visited Helsinki twice, mostly for business, got a tour of some of the islands and surroundings. It's lovely in Finland. The company I used to work for is based there.

st thomas · 04-30-2021, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Maybe so. I don’t see that helping to slow Pitts down though.

Boston ,Mattie asre wipe won’t have time to throw to pitts or anyone else if they didn’t upgrade there o-line, to me they got greedy at 4th pick

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04-30-2021, 01:22 PM	#71
Threaded by Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294 Rating: (0 votes - average) Bust like Davenport. The Saints needed a CB, LB, and DT . The next pick will be an OT.
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04-30-2021, 01:33 PM	#72
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,725 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Sheldon Rankins Michael Thomas Vonn Bell David Onyemata Daniel Lasco Marshon Lattimore Ryan Ramczyk Marcus Williams Alvin Kamara Alex Anzalone Trey Hendrickson Al-Quadin Muhammad Marcus Davenport (+2019 1st) Tre'Quan Smith Rick Leonard Natrell Jamerson Kamrin Moore Boston Scott Will Clapp Erik McCoy Chauncey Gardner-Johnson Saquan Hampton Alize Mack Kaden Elliss Cesar Ruiz Zack Baun Adam Trautman Tommy Stevens Drafting since 2016 Feels they started believing the hype after 2017 and that they are so much clever that other teams. Since that 2017 draft there is only 2 players you can call a out and out success in McCoy and CGJ. Trautman may or may not progress as a starter. When you want to throw so much cap at just a few very special players you need to be finding solid starting level guys in the draft. Free agents next year QB Winston Hill LT Terron Armstead RT Ryan Ramczyk CB Lattimore FS M. Williams DE Carl Granderson DT Shy Tuttle All bar Hill/Winston and Granderson expected to start this year Cap liabilities in 2022 $188ml with only 30 players Yeah some will say the 2023 cap will rocket but so will salaries of every player in the league. The Saints are currently set to pay Armstead 13ml Hill 8.9ml Brees 11.5ml Winston 3m Not to be on the roster in 2022, $36.4 million of the cap in dead money. Even if they resign Armstead,Hill and Winston you only push that forward. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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04-30-2021, 01:41 PM	#73
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,300	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick I have no issue with drafting another DE, I just don't think he was the best option at the time.
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04-30-2021, 02:01 PM	#74
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by SmashMouth Is Davenport on the outs? His fifth year option was exercised. His last year as a Saint with this Saints pick? No. Cam is done. Could see it in his play last year. This allows a one year transition from Cam Jordan to Payton Turner - it's the right move, right candidate... Maybe not first round pick; but it's time... saintfan, iceshack149, SaintFanInATLHELL and 2 others like this.
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04-30-2021, 02:03 PM	#75
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick I reserve judgement until the whole draft is done, because it has to be viewed in its entirety along with the following UDFA signings. I didn't spend any time this year learning about the players entering the draft, so I'm not disappointed by the pick as I have no vested interest in any of the players. Furthermore, I'm actually happy they stayed in their spot and picked the BPA. Some of the comments here are pretty hyperbole, and while I understand that people are very emotional about everything that has to do with the Saints - I'd wish folks could be more relaxed about it all. Here I am relaxing after the sauna at my lakeside cabin in Finland drinking beer, wearing a Saints' jersey and waiting for the draft to continue - excited to see who'll join the Saints. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.
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04-30-2021, 02:57 PM	#76
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 736	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick The pick was one of need. Maybe not the biggest need. The limited film I’ve seen has me excited. Fans always think they’re the experts. I always wait for judgement. Just glad we didn’t trade up for a qb. And I can’t help but laugh at those calling Davenport a bust. It’s obvious you don’t watch football. AsylumGuido likes this.

04-30-2021, 03:11 PM	#77
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by hitta In all honesty, I'm not that impressed with this pick. Deuce put a out tweet right after the draft ended. Three consecutive DEs taken after Turner. Buffalo, Ravens & Tampa were all eyeing him with a strong possibility of selecting at the end of the first rd. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

04-30-2021, 03:41 PM	#78
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by K Major Deuce put a out tweet right after the draft ended. Three consecutive DEs taken after Turner. Buffalo, Ravens & Tampa were all eyeing him with a strong possibility of selecting at the end of the first rd. Well that’s just it... I despised Jayson Oweh as a prospect. He doesn’t have a single pass rush move lol. I’m just happy we didn’t take him. jeanpierre and K Major like this.

04-30-2021, 04:21 PM	#79
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,985 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by FinSaint I reserve judgement until the whole draft is done, because it has to be viewed in its entirety along with the following UDFA signings. I didn't spend any time this year learning about the players entering the draft, so I'm not disappointed by the pick as I have no vested interest in any of the players. Furthermore, I'm actually happy they stayed in their spot and picked the BPA. Some of the comments here are pretty hyperbole, and while I understand that people are very emotional about everything that has to do with the Saints - I'd wish folks could be more relaxed about it all. Here I am relaxing after the sauna at my lakeside cabin in Finland drinking beer, wearing a Saints' jersey and waiting for the draft to continue - excited to see who'll join the Saints. Do you have your own island like so many of the locals there? I've visited Helsinki twice, mostly for business, got a tour of some of the islands and surroundings. It's lovely in Finland. The company I used to work for is based there. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

04-30-2021, 05:01 PM	#80
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint Maybe so. I don’t see that helping to slow Pitts down though. Boston ,Mattie asre wipe won’t have time to throw to pitts or anyone else if they didn’t upgrade there o-line, to me they got greedy at 4th pick Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk iceshack149 likes this.