Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

04-30-2021, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Guido doesn’t like it when people form opinions. He likes to blindly follow the facts. At least the ones he can cherry pick to make the Saints seem perfect in his mind.

Yup. Ya' gotta hate facts.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

At least we picked up his option so we have him at least through 2022. But, all the more reason to get another DE.

SmashMouth · 04-30-2021, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

Fairpoint... a la Mark ingram. Both Ingram and Daveport are players we overspent on in terms of draft capital vs what we got in return on investment.

Turner may be our next Cameron Jordan. If you compare his bio vs that of the Penn St DE rated higher that went shortly after, you'd probably reach the very same conclusions, even without the benefit of the pre-craft scouting work the Saints put in.

K Major · 04-30-2021, 12:44 PM

Whether Turner was the right player only time will tell, just like every draft pick, but the strategy was certainly a good one. Not to mention we have one if not the best def line coaches in the league.

I'm anxious to see what direction we move on Day 2 & 3 of the draft.

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

In my opinion you just gave a great reason for the pick. In a division with slow QB'S the Saints have huge, athletic monsters on the D-line. That's the recipe for winning and the Giants proved that when they kept the Patriots from having an undefeated season.

Possibly. Yet On most defensive plays for the saints there are 2 DEs. There are usually 2 or more LBs as well. If you can’t understand the logic of people that question why there are now 4 functional DEs on the roster with only 1 1/2 functional LBs on the roster then I can’t help you. It’s pretty obvious.

st thomas · 04-30-2021, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Bottom line is it smells to me of Baptiste, Davenport and other “reaches” the team has taken on draft prospects that were surprise moves according to draft analysts. I felt good about Lattimore pick at the time. I don’t feel good about this one. Maybe I’m wrong and they hit on a Kamara.

The thing about Kamara , we moved up to get him in the 3rd round is not like moving up in the 1st rd that we all think Davenport should have made more waves. If Kamara was a bust had not made the team it would have been o well we didn’t loose 2 first rd picks , but Davenport is not a bust (Yet) I’ll determine that after this season.

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Sainters7 · 04-30-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

I've been high on Davenport his whole career ("if only he could stay healthy..") until mid last year. Dude finally put together a string of games...and did nothing. I think he's got a bit of that Johnathan Sullivan-vibe in the sense he just doesn't have that hunger or love for the game (at least Turner has the drive). I just don't see him getting to that next level I always envisioned him hitting until last season.

I'll happily be wrong though, I like your prediction better. I just don't see it happening at this point. Guess I just saw this move as the Saints trying to move on and admit they messed up in 2018 Draft (I know they picked up his option, but I see it more as a "one last chance" type move). We'll see how it all shakes out...

iceshack149 · 04-30-2021, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Possibly. Yet On most defensive plays for the saints there are 2 DEs. There are usually 2 or more LBs as well. If you can’t understand the logic of people that question why there are now 4 functional DEs on the roster with only 1 1/2 functional LBs on the roster then I can’t help you. It’s pretty obvious.

They're bringing the "NASCAR" package back!

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

They're bringing the "NASCAR" package back!

Maybe so. I don’t see that helping to slow Pitts down though.

04-30-2021, 12:19 PM	#61
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by The Dude Guido doesn’t like it when people form opinions. He likes to blindly follow the facts. At least the ones he can cherry pick to make the Saints seem perfect in his mind. Yup. Ya' gotta hate facts.
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04-30-2021, 12:20 PM	#62
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. At least we picked up his option so we have him at least through 2022. But, all the more reason to get another DE.

04-30-2021, 12:22 PM	#63
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,012 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. Fairpoint... a la Mark ingram. Both Ingram and Daveport are players we overspent on in terms of draft capital vs what we got in return on investment. Turner may be our next Cameron Jordan. If you compare his bio vs that of the Penn St DE rated higher that went shortly after, you'd probably reach the very same conclusions, even without the benefit of the pre-craft scouting work the Saints put in. iceshack149 likes this.

04-30-2021, 12:44 PM	#64
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,051 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Whether Turner was the right player only time will tell, just like every draft pick, but the strategy was certainly a good one. Not to mention we have one if not the best def line coaches in the league. I'm anxious to see what direction we move on Day 2 & 3 of the draft. SmashMouth likes this.

04-30-2021, 12:49 PM	#65
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 In my opinion you just gave a great reason for the pick. In a division with slow QB'S the Saints have huge, athletic monsters on the D-line. That's the recipe for winning and the Giants proved that when they kept the Patriots from having an undefeated season. Possibly. Yet On most defensive plays for the saints there are 2 DEs. There are usually 2 or more LBs as well. If you can’t understand the logic of people that question why there are now 4 functional DEs on the roster with only 1 1/2 functional LBs on the roster then I can’t help you. It’s pretty obvious.

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04-30-2021, 12:51 PM	#66
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint Bottom line is it smells to me of Baptiste, Davenport and other “reaches” the team has taken on draft prospects that were surprise moves according to draft analysts. I felt good about Lattimore pick at the time. I don’t feel good about this one. Maybe I’m wrong and they hit on a Kamara. The thing about Kamara , we moved up to get him in the 3rd round is not like moving up in the 1st rd that we all think Davenport should have made more waves. If Kamara was a bust had not made the team it would have been o well we didn’t loose 2 first rd picks , but Davenport is not a bust (Yet) I’ll determine that after this season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-30-2021, 01:00 PM	#68
Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead. I've been high on Davenport his whole career ("if only he could stay healthy..") until mid last year. Dude finally put together a string of games...and did nothing. I think he's got a bit of that Johnathan Sullivan-vibe in the sense he just doesn't have that hunger or love for the game (at least Turner has the drive). I just don't see him getting to that next level I always envisioned him hitting until last season. I'll happily be wrong though, I like your prediction better. I just don't see it happening at this point. Guess I just saw this move as the Saints trying to move on and admit they messed up in 2018 Draft (I know they picked up his option, but I see it more as a "one last chance" type move). We'll see how it all shakes out...
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04-30-2021, 01:02 PM	#69
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,093 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint Possibly. Yet On most defensive plays for the saints there are 2 DEs. There are usually 2 or more LBs as well. If you can’t understand the logic of people that question why there are now 4 functional DEs on the roster with only 1 1/2 functional LBs on the roster then I can’t help you. It’s pretty obvious. They're bringing the "NASCAR" package back! AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.

04-30-2021, 01:04 PM	#70
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 They're bringing the "NASCAR" package back! Maybe so. I don’t see that helping to slow Pitts down though.