Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

04-30-2021, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

The pick was one of need. Maybe not the biggest need. The limited film I’ve seen has me excited. Fans always think they’re the experts. I always wait for judgement. Just glad we didn’t trade up for a qb.

And I can’t help but laugh at those calling Davenport a bust. It’s obvious you don’t watch football.

So much that I agree with here, shawnky!

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

The pick was one of need. Maybe not the biggest need. The limited film I’ve seen has me excited. Fans always think they’re the experts. I always wait for judgement. Just glad we didn’t trade up for a qb.

And I can’t help but laugh at those calling Davenport a bust. It’s obvious you don’t watch football.

So, I don’t think I’ve ever used the term Bust (I may be wrong), but you think Davenport’s production up to this point in his career has been worthy of 2 first round picks? If so, you don’t know nearly as much about football as you think.

turbo_dog · 04-30-2021, 06:56 PM

All the propaganda has gotten to me. We really won't know for about another year, but for now, I'm excited and want to see him on the field! Fingers crossed for great players in the next two days.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, I don’t think I’ve ever used the term Bust (I may be wrong), but you think Davenport’s production up to this point in his career has been worthy of 2 first round picks? If so, you don’t know nearly as much about football as you think.

Copied from my post in another thread ...

Would you have felt better had the cost for Davenport been two 2nd's and a 3rd?

Well, given the fact that the two firsts were both at the tail-end of the round the value of the two scenarios are virtually identical. I keep hearing "two 1st round picks". They are not much different than two high 2nd rounders.

Once picks are made it is ridiculous to dwell on them. Water under the bridge. I'll guarantee you that anyone truly in the business of football do not equate a player's production to where they were picked. That is fan mentality. You know, those people that "don’t know nearly as much about football as you think."

iceshack149 · 04-30-2021, 07:07 PM

From what I've read the Saints tried really hard to move up. I'm glad that they still have draft capital and can fill in some holes.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

From what I've read the Saints tried really hard to move up. I'm glad that they still have draft capital and can fill in some holes.

I'm hoping they use that capital to move up a couple of times. The talent available in rounds five through seven aren't much different than the UDFA's. That's where some of the rest of the holes can be filled, don't you think?

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Copied from my post in another thread ...

Would you have felt better had the cost for Davenport been two 2nd's and a 3rd?

Well, given the fact that the two firsts were both at the tail-end of the round the value of the two scenarios are virtually identical. I keep hearing "two 1st round picks". They are not much different than two high 2nd rounders.

Once picks are made it is ridiculous to dwell on them. Water under the bridge. I'll guarantee you that anyone truly in the business of football do not equate a player's production to where they were picked. That is fan mentality. You know, those people that "don’t know nearly as much about football as you think."

Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated.

The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss.

History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world.

Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best.

Any issue with that?

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss.

History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world.

Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best.

Any issue with that?

Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to.

Only when it is repeated ad nauseum. If you didn't like it when it was made then, cool! But complain away if it makes you feel better. LOL!

04-30-2021, 06:31 PM	#81
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by shawnkytonk The pick was one of need. Maybe not the biggest need. The limited film I’ve seen has me excited. Fans always think they’re the experts. I always wait for judgement. Just glad we didn’t trade up for a qb. And I can’t help but laugh at those calling Davenport a bust. It’s obvious you don’t watch football. So much that I agree with here, shawnky!
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04-30-2021, 06:44 PM	#82
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by shawnkytonk The pick was one of need. Maybe not the biggest need. The limited film I’ve seen has me excited. Fans always think they’re the experts. I always wait for judgement. Just glad we didn’t trade up for a qb. And I can’t help but laugh at those calling Davenport a bust. It’s obvious you don’t watch football. So, I don’t think I’ve ever used the term Bust (I may be wrong), but you think Davenport’s production up to this point in his career has been worthy of 2 first round picks? If so, you don’t know nearly as much about football as you think.

04-30-2021, 06:56 PM	#83
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick All the propaganda has gotten to me. We really won't know for about another year, but for now, I'm excited and want to see him on the field! Fingers crossed for great players in the next two days. iceshack149 and shawnkytonk like this.

04-30-2021, 06:59 PM	#84
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, I don’t think I’ve ever used the term Bust (I may be wrong), but you think Davenport’s production up to this point in his career has been worthy of 2 first round picks? If so, you don’t know nearly as much about football as you think. Copied from my post in another thread ... Would you have felt better had the cost for Davenport been two 2nd's and a 3rd? Well, given the fact that the two firsts were both at the tail-end of the round the value of the two scenarios are virtually identical. I keep hearing "two 1st round picks". They are not much different than two high 2nd rounders. Once picks are made it is ridiculous to dwell on them. Water under the bridge. I'll guarantee you that anyone truly in the business of football do not equate a player's production to where they were picked. That is fan mentality. You know, those people that "don’t know nearly as much about football as you think."
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

04-30-2021, 07:07 PM	#85
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04-30-2021, 07:11 PM	#86
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 From what I've read the Saints tried really hard to move up. I'm glad that they still have draft capital and can fill in some holes. I'm hoping they use that capital to move up a couple of times. The talent available in rounds five through seven aren't much different than the UDFA's. That's where some of the rest of the holes can be filled, don't you think?

04-30-2021, 07:35 PM	#87
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Copied from my post in another thread ... Would you have felt better had the cost for Davenport been two 2nd's and a 3rd? Well, given the fact that the two firsts were both at the tail-end of the round the value of the two scenarios are virtually identical. I keep hearing "two 1st round picks". They are not much different than two high 2nd rounders. Once picks are made it is ridiculous to dwell on them. Water under the bridge. I'll guarantee you that anyone truly in the business of football do not equate a player's production to where they were picked. That is fan mentality. You know, those people that "don’t know nearly as much about football as you think." Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated.

04-30-2021, 07:48 PM	#88
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated. The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss. History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world. Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best. Any issue with that?

04-30-2021, 08:00 PM	#89
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss. History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world. Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best. Any issue with that? Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to.

04-30-2021, 08:20 PM	#90
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to. Only when it is repeated ad nauseum. If you didn't like it when it was made then, cool! But complain away if it makes you feel better. LOL!