Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy.

The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson.

The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right?

iceshack149 · 04-30-2021, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

At least we picked up his option so we have him at least through 2022. But, all the more reason to get another DE.

SmashMouth · 04-30-2021, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

Fairpoint... a la Mark ingram. Both Ingram and Daveport are players we overspent on in terms of draft capital vs what we got in return on investment.

Turner may be our next Cameron Jordan. If you compare his bio vs that of the Penn St DE rated higher that went shortly after, you'd probably reach the very same conclusions, even without the benefit of the pre-craft scouting work the Saints put in.

Sainters7 · 04-30-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

I've been high on Davenport his whole career ("if only he could stay healthy..") until mid last year. Dude finally put together a string of games...and did nothing. I think he's got a bit of that Johnathan Sullivan-vibe in the sense he just doesn't have that hunger or love for the game (at least Turner has the drive). I just don't see him getting to that next level I always envisioned him hitting until last season.

I'll happily be wrong though, I like your prediction better. I just don't see it happening at this point. Guess I just saw this move as the Saints trying to move on and admit they messed up in 2018 Draft (I know they picked up his option, but I see it more as a "one last chance" type move). We'll see how it all shakes out...

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The Dude · 04-30-2021, 02:06 AM

We would have been better off with the Packers CB.
According to one NFL.Com analyst Chad Reuter the only team that got a grade worse than the Saints (C) is Houston (D) who didn’t even have a pick because of the Tunsil trade.
I get this move may be part of a rebuild and an effort to get Cams replacement in the building now if we decide to move on next year. I think we’ve seen the same along the offensive line, I think Armstead is gone too.
If the Saints really liked him that much I would have rather seen them trade up in the second to get him. If you’re gonna reach don’t do it with your first.

lee909 · 04-30-2021, 02:41 AM

I'm not going to complain about not trading back. Who knows if you get a partner. Anything less than a 3rd or very high 4th isn't worth losing 5th round option for.

I should say I may not like what they've done at all, but it's not on this kid and I'll obviously be pulling for him to be a beast. I just think this team is in a massive hole with lots of holes and little cap, assets to gain them with.

neugey · 04-30-2021, 02:51 AM

That moment when the wife sends you to the store for dog food and a gallon of milk and you come home with scratch tickets. Basically we're taking a < 1% chance this guy is Von Miller.

Expect more contrarian picks for the rest of the draft. It's just what we do. Occasionally it pays off with a Kamara story.

04-30-2021, 10:32 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by ChrisXVI To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy. The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson. The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right?

04-30-2021, 12:14 PM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,335 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead. I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. SmashMouth likes this.

04-30-2021, 12:20 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. At least we picked up his option so we have him at least through 2022. But, all the more reason to get another DE.

04-30-2021, 12:22 PM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. Fairpoint... a la Mark ingram. Both Ingram and Daveport are players we overspent on in terms of draft capital vs what we got in return on investment. Turner may be our next Cameron Jordan. If you compare his bio vs that of the Penn St DE rated higher that went shortly after, you'd probably reach the very same conclusions, even without the benefit of the pre-craft scouting work the Saints put in. iceshack149 likes this.

04-30-2021, 01:00 PM	#5
Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead. I've been high on Davenport his whole career ("if only he could stay healthy..") until mid last year. Dude finally put together a string of games...and did nothing. I think he's got a bit of that Johnathan Sullivan-vibe in the sense he just doesn't have that hunger or love for the game (at least Turner has the drive). I just don't see him getting to that next level I always envisioned him hitting until last season. I'll happily be wrong though, I like your prediction better. I just don't see it happening at this point. Guess I just saw this move as the Saints trying to move on and admit they messed up in 2018 Draft (I know they picked up his option, but I see it more as a "one last chance" type move). We'll see how it all shakes out...
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04-30-2021, 02:06 AM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick We would have been better off with the Packers CB. According to one NFL.Com analyst Chad Reuter the only team that got a grade worse than the Saints (C) is Houston (D) who didn’t even have a pick because of the Tunsil trade. I get this move may be part of a rebuild and an effort to get Cams replacement in the building now if we decide to move on next year. I think we’ve seen the same along the offensive line, I think Armstead is gone too. If the Saints really liked him that much I would have rather seen them trade up in the second to get him. If you’re gonna reach don’t do it with your first.
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04-30-2021, 02:41 AM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick I'm not going to complain about not trading back. Who knows if you get a partner. Anything less than a 3rd or very high 4th isn't worth losing 5th round option for. I should say I may not like what they've done at all, but it's not on this kid and I'll obviously be pulling for him to be a beast. I just think this team is in a massive hole with lots of holes and little cap, assets to gain them with. Sainters7 likes this.

04-30-2021, 02:51 AM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick That moment when the wife sends you to the store for dog food and a gallon of milk and you come home with scratch tickets. Basically we're taking a < 1% chance this guy is Von Miller. Expect more contrarian picks for the rest of the draft. It's just what we do. Occasionally it pays off with a Kamara story.