Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

shawnkytonk · 06-07-2021, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Good grief. I didn't get anything of that nature from his post.

jeanpierre · 06-07-2021, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

So you're citing college statistics as well?

Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So you're citing college statistics as well?

Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues.

So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that?

Well?

jeanpierre · 06-07-2021, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues.

So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that?

Well?

We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner...

Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)...

Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured...

Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner...

From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston...

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner...

Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)...

Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured...

Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner...

From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston...

And we stress a small sample size for Hill with half his games started against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in Atlanta and another against a team without a QB on their gameday roster. The other team he faced had was a loser in the worst conference in the entire league ... and he lost to them.

Sorry, JP. You have to have more ammo than that sorry crap.

Anything else?

jeanpierre · 06-08-2021, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And we stress a small sample size for Hill with half his games started against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in Atlanta and another against a team without a QB on their gameday roster. The other team he faced had was a loser in the worst conference in the entire league ... and he lost to them.

Sorry, JP. You have to have more ammo than that sorry crap.

Anything else?

Comprehension is not your strength; you literally restated my argument that we need to see Hill have more snaps as he's had too small a sample size to properly assess him...

Wow, that was easy and fun to let you out-wit yourself, again...

Boston Saint · 06-08-2021, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner...

Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)...

Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured...

Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner...

From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston...

I’m not following that logic. One of Winston’s 4 first games in his rookie season was a Win against the Saints where he had a QBR of 114+. The Saints had a better record that year than any of the teams Hill beat last year. Now, that performance is better than anything Hill has done so, by your reasoning, Winston has a higher ceiling because he had a higher QBR in one of
his first 4 starts than Hill did in any of his first four starts. Hill also has never had a 3 TD, 400 yard passing game before...Winston has. Winston’s 4 best games are better than Hills 4 best games. So, how does Hill have a higher ceiling?

And how do you know we’ve seen the best Winston has to offer? Tampa has not been a historically successful franchise and where you say a 40 YO QB took his team to the SB I can say it took the future HOF/winningest/best QB to ever play the game to unseat him. You don’t think a 27 YO QB could get better playing under Payton? Brees did.

And I will repeat that I am not pulling for either player. Makes no
difference to me who emerges as starter. I hope and expect them to produce. I am just surprised at the willingness some have to write Winston off as done. Multiple HOF QBs have demonstrated worse years than Winston has produced. But, oh well. Time will tell.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Comprehension is not your strength; you literally restated my argument that we need to see Hill have more snaps as he's had too small a sample size to properly assess him...

Wow, that was easy and fun to let you out-wit yourself, again...

My comprehension is quite strong, thank you. He has had coming up on four years worth of snaps in practice to be accessed. That's where most QB's are accessed. When on a roster the QB deemed the better starter under the circumstances will get the starts. Due to Winston's short time in the system that was Hill last season. Now the most prepared will start in 2021. My hopes are that it will be Winston because it makes the team better as whole and that's what's most important, don't you think?

Or is that not important to you?

When and IF Hill does gain enough confidence from an NFL coaching staff to become a full-time starter the rest of us will see what it is you claim he has going for him. THAT is a big if in my opinion.

WW_Who_Dat · 06-08-2021, 08:21 AM

There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason.

TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently.

They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN.

Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason.

TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently.

They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN.

Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position.

Agree 100%! That will all make the Saints a better team on offense and special teams than they would be with Hill under center and Winston sitting the bench.

06-07-2021, 04:54 PM	#51
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 736	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash. You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right? Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!! Lol. Wow. Good grief. I didn't get anything of that nature from his post.

06-07-2021, 05:30 PM	#52
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's So you're citing college statistics as well? Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

06-07-2021, 05:39 PM	#53
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre So you're citing college statistics as well? Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either... If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues. So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that? Well?

06-07-2021, 06:00 PM	#54
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues. So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that? Well? We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner... Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)... Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured... Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner... From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston... jnormand likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner... Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)... Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured... Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner... From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston... And we stress a small sample size for Hill with half his games started against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in Atlanta and another against a team without a QB on their gameday roster. The other team he faced had was a loser in the worst conference in the entire league ... and he lost to them. Sorry, JP. You have to have more ammo than that sorry crap. Anything else?

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06-08-2021, 01:15 AM	#56
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And we stress a small sample size for Hill with half his games started against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in Atlanta and another against a team without a QB on their gameday roster. The other team he faced had was a loser in the worst conference in the entire league ... and he lost to them. Sorry, JP. You have to have more ammo than that sorry crap. Anything else? Comprehension is not your strength; you literally restated my argument that we need to see Hill have more snaps as he's had too small a sample size to properly assess him... Wow, that was easy and fun to let you out-wit yourself, again...

06-08-2021, 04:45 AM	#57
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner... Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)... Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured... Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner... From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston... I’m not following that logic. One of Winston’s 4 first games in his rookie season was a Win against the Saints where he had a QBR of 114+. The Saints had a better record that year than any of the teams Hill beat last year. Now, that performance is better than anything Hill has done so, by your reasoning, Winston has a higher ceiling because he had a higher QBR in one of his first 4 starts than Hill did in any of his first four starts. Hill also has never had a 3 TD, 400 yard passing game before...Winston has. Winston’s 4 best games are better than Hills 4 best games. So, how does Hill have a higher ceiling? And how do you know we’ve seen the best Winston has to offer? Tampa has not been a historically successful franchise and where you say a 40 YO QB took his team to the SB I can say it took the future HOF/winningest/best QB to ever play the game to unseat him. You don’t think a 27 YO QB could get better playing under Payton? Brees did. And I will repeat that I am not pulling for either player. Makes no difference to me who emerges as starter. I hope and expect them to produce. I am just surprised at the willingness some have to write Winston off as done. Multiple HOF QBs have demonstrated worse years than Winston has produced. But, oh well. Time will tell. rezburna likes this.
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06-08-2021, 06:57 AM	#58
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre Comprehension is not your strength; you literally restated my argument that we need to see Hill have more snaps as he's had too small a sample size to properly assess him... Wow, that was easy and fun to let you out-wit yourself, again... My comprehension is quite strong, thank you. He has had coming up on four years worth of snaps in practice to be accessed. That's where most QB's are accessed. When on a roster the QB deemed the better starter under the circumstances will get the starts. Due to Winston's short time in the system that was Hill last season. Now the most prepared will start in 2021. My hopes are that it will be Winston because it makes the team better as whole and that's what's most important, don't you think? Or is that not important to you? When and IF Hill does gain enough confidence from an NFL coaching staff to become a full-time starter the rest of us will see what it is you claim he has going for him. THAT is a big if in my opinion.
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06-08-2021, 08:21 AM	#59
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,164 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason. TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently. They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN. Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position. AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason. TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently. They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN. Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position. Agree 100%! That will all make the Saints a better team on offense and special teams than they would be with Hill under center and Winston sitting the bench.