Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2021, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW.

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

Boston Saint · 06-05-2021, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW.

Who here has said to not give him a chance?

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2021, 03:11 PM

I remember someone claiming that Taysom broke all of Steve Young's BYU records. While looking at college numbers I discovered that Taysom doesn't own any BYU records. In fact, Steve Young only owns one record himself and that's for season passing percentage at .713. Ty Detmer, John Walsh, and Jim McMahon own most all of the others.

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2021, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Who here has said to not give him a chance?

Yeah. He definitely has a chance. I don't believe it's a good one, but he does have a chance.

SmashMouth · 06-05-2021, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I remember someone claiming that Taysom broke all of Steve Young's BYU records. While looking at college numbers I discovered that Taysom doesn't own any BYU records. In fact, Steve Young only owns one record himself and that's for season passing percentage at .713. Ty Detmer, John Walsh, and Jim McMahon own most all of the others.

Steve Young

Taysom Hill

Taysom had a couple of years where he didn't play much do to injuries,

Boston Saint · 06-05-2021, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments.

voodooido · 06-05-2021, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.

AsylumGuido · 06-06-2021, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.

No, Hill was given the job because he had been in the system for four years and Winston, because of the lack of off-season and pre-season, only had a couple of months or so of practice in the system. He was also told by Payton at the beginning of the season if Brees were to go down the job would be his for those reasons. Now, after a full season followed by a mostly full pre-season they should be on even ground as far that the playbook goes. I believe Winston is still miles ahead on pure ability to play QB, however.

All Hill managed to do when he started was to keep his head above water while facing a horrible Falcons' defense twice, a Denver team with no QB on the roster, and a poor Philly team to which he lost.

Now, if by some miracle he does outperform Winston then he may get the job, but it will cost the Saints he tremendous talents in other parts of the game. Even if he were somehow somewhat better than Winston it would be a net loss for the Saints offense.

That's why I am hoping like hell that Winston beats him out, which I fully expect, and we can field a better team all around.

AsylumGuido · 06-06-2021, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments.

That is glaringly obvious, Boston. That line of thinking IS crap, but it is absolutely real.

Boston Saint · 06-06-2021, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is glaringly obvious, Boston. That line of thinking IS crap, but it is absolutely real.

There are enough black QBs starting and being given a chance in the league for me to accept that as a certainty. The Saints has no problem with Brooks or Blake starting. Winston is just being thrown in the same group with guys like Trubitski, Darnold, and Rosen. What I can’t figure out is why when he’s better than them.

06-05-2021, 02:59 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by voodooido What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW. What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

06-05-2021, 03:05 PM	#32
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by voodooido What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW. Who here has said to not give him a chance? Rugby Saint II likes this.

06-05-2021, 03:11 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB I remember someone claiming that Taysom broke all of Steve Young's BYU records. While looking at college numbers I discovered that Taysom doesn't own any BYU records. In fact, Steve Young only owns one record himself and that's for season passing percentage at .713. Ty Detmer, John Walsh, and Jim McMahon own most all of the others.

06-05-2021, 03:14 PM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Who here has said to not give him a chance? Yeah. He definitely has a chance. I don't believe it's a good one, but he does have a chance.

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06-05-2021, 06:22 PM	#36
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments.

06-05-2021, 06:29 PM	#37
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,748	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.
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06-06-2021, 08:13 AM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by voodooido The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win. No, Hill was given the job because he had been in the system for four years and Winston, because of the lack of off-season and pre-season, only had a couple of months or so of practice in the system. He was also told by Payton at the beginning of the season if Brees were to go down the job would be his for those reasons. Now, after a full season followed by a mostly full pre-season they should be on even ground as far that the playbook goes. I believe Winston is still miles ahead on pure ability to play QB, however. All Hill managed to do when he started was to keep his head above water while facing a horrible Falcons' defense twice, a Denver team with no QB on the roster, and a poor Philly team to which he lost. Now, if by some miracle he does outperform Winston then he may get the job, but it will cost the Saints he tremendous talents in other parts of the game. Even if he were somehow somewhat better than Winston it would be a net loss for the Saints offense. That's why I am hoping like hell that Winston beats him out, which I fully expect, and we can field a better team all around.
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06-06-2021, 08:16 AM	#39
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments. That is glaringly obvious, Boston. That line of thinking IS crap, but it is absolutely real.

06-06-2021, 08:31 AM	#40
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is glaringly obvious, Boston. That line of thinking IS crap, but it is absolutely real. There are enough black QBs starting and being given a chance in the league for me to accept that as a certainty. The Saints has no problem with Brooks or Blake starting. Winston is just being thrown in the same group with guys like Trubitski, Darnold, and Rosen. What I can’t figure out is why when he’s better than them.