Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

jnormand · 06-07-2021, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments.

Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Sparked a nerve there, huh? Boston didn't call anyone a racist. He was simply wondering what any logical person might wonder.

Boston Saint · 06-07-2021, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Did you read my post? Who did I call a racist?

shawnkytonk · 06-07-2021, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Good grief. I didn't get anything of that nature from his post.

voodooido · 06-05-2021, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.

AsylumGuido · 06-06-2021, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.

No, Hill was given the job because he had been in the system for four years and Winston, because of the lack of off-season and pre-season, only had a couple of months or so of practice in the system. He was also told by Payton at the beginning of the season if Brees were to go down the job would be his for those reasons. Now, after a full season followed by a mostly full pre-season they should be on even ground as far that the playbook goes. I believe Winston is still miles ahead on pure ability to play QB, however.

All Hill managed to do when he started was to keep his head above water while facing a horrible Falcons' defense twice, a Denver team with no QB on the roster, and a poor Philly team to which he lost.

Now, if by some miracle he does outperform Winston then he may get the job, but it will cost the Saints he tremendous talents in other parts of the game. Even if he were somehow somewhat better than Winston it would be a net loss for the Saints offense.

That's why I am hoping like hell that Winston beats him out, which I fully expect, and we can field a better team all around.

TheOak · 06-07-2021, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position?

Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido?

I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game.

gosaints1 · 06-07-2021, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

...I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up...

Facts right here, it’s how I feel also.

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position?

Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido?

I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game.

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Facts right here, it’s how I feel also.

Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

Can either of you argue that point?

And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.

Thirty3 · 06-07-2021, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

06-07-2021, 04:21 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,735	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments. Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash. You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right? Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!! Lol. Wow. jeanpierre likes this.

06-07-2021, 04:29 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash. You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right? Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!! Lol. Wow. Sparked a nerve there, huh? Boston didn't call anyone a racist. He was simply wondering what any logical person might wonder.

06-07-2021, 04:52 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash. You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right? Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!! Lol. Wow. Did you read my post? Who did I call a racist?

06-07-2021, 04:54 PM	#4
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash. You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right? Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!! Lol. Wow. Good grief. I didn't get anything of that nature from his post.

06-05-2021, 06:29 PM	#5
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.
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06-06-2021, 08:13 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by voodooido The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win. No, Hill was given the job because he had been in the system for four years and Winston, because of the lack of off-season and pre-season, only had a couple of months or so of practice in the system. He was also told by Payton at the beginning of the season if Brees were to go down the job would be his for those reasons. Now, after a full season followed by a mostly full pre-season they should be on even ground as far that the playbook goes. I believe Winston is still miles ahead on pure ability to play QB, however. All Hill managed to do when he started was to keep his head above water while facing a horrible Falcons' defense twice, a Denver team with no QB on the roster, and a poor Philly team to which he lost. Now, if by some miracle he does outperform Winston then he may get the job, but it will cost the Saints he tremendous talents in other parts of the game. Even if he were somehow somewhat better than Winston it would be a net loss for the Saints offense. That's why I am hoping like hell that Winston beats him out, which I fully expect, and we can field a better team all around.
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06-07-2021, 04:31 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position? Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido? I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game. AsylumGuido and gosaints1 like this.
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06-07-2021, 08:23 AM	#8
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by TheOak ...I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up... Facts right here, it’s how I feel also. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 1 others like this.
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06-07-2021, 09:21 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by TheOak Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position? Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido? I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game. Originally Posted by gosaints1 Facts right here, it’s how I feel also. Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench. Can either of you argue that point? And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.
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06-07-2021, 01:32 PM	#10
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate. jnormand likes this.
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