Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

Thirty3 · 06-07-2021, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

Boston Saint · 06-07-2021, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But,
time will tell.

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But,
time will tell.

Yet thirty3 claims that Winston will lose his job before mid-season if/when he gets named the starter.

That's laughable.

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

You are all in on Hill's completion percentage in the first four games. That's all you have mentioned as a positive. I repeat, he was in a vanilla offense playing against one of the very worst defenses in the NFL for two of those games. One of the other two games was against a team decimated by COVID and the last, which he lost, against yet another below average team.

What is so great about dumping off high percentage passes in a vanilla offense against crappy competition? You are hanging everything on that. Sorry, but that is nothing to hang one's hat on.

Tell you what. If you are SO confident that Winston sucks so bad and Hill is the next coming of QB Jesus, I'll bet $40 you that Winston starts more games this season than Hill. Free money for me. As much as I like Hill as an athlete and a person I have seen nothing from him that shows me he can be a successful pro at QB. And as much as I have issues with Winston as a person I have seen that he can be very effective as a professional QB. Even outstanding at times.

Afraid?

PS. Yes, college stats are irrelevant, but you are the one that said the following in this thread ...

"PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. "

Check your history. Taysom never broke a single Steve Young record nor did he break anyone's record at BYU. I seriously don't see why you are so enamored by Hill, unless it is just that you hate Winston so badly for some reason.

06-07-2021, 01:32 PM	#1
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate. jnormand likes this.
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06-07-2021, 02:11 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Thirty3 College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate. Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But, time will tell. AsylumGuido likes this.

06-07-2021, 03:32 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,623	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But, time will tell. Yet thirty3 claims that Winston will lose his job before mid-season if/when he gets named the starter. That's laughable.

06-07-2021, 03:30 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,623	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Thirty3 College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate. You are all in on Hill's completion percentage in the first four games. That's all you have mentioned as a positive. I repeat, he was in a vanilla offense playing against one of the very worst defenses in the NFL for two of those games. One of the other two games was against a team decimated by COVID and the last, which he lost, against yet another below average team. What is so great about dumping off high percentage passes in a vanilla offense against crappy competition? You are hanging everything on that. Sorry, but that is nothing to hang one's hat on. Tell you what. If you are SO confident that Winston sucks so bad and Hill is the next coming of QB Jesus, I'll bet $40 you that Winston starts more games this season than Hill. Free money for me. As much as I like Hill as an athlete and a person I have seen nothing from him that shows me he can be a successful pro at QB. And as much as I have issues with Winston as a person I have seen that he can be very effective as a professional QB. Even outstanding at times. Afraid? PS. Yes, college stats are irrelevant, but you are the one that said the following in this thread ... "PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. " Check your history. Taysom never broke a single Steve Young record nor did he break anyone's record at BYU. I seriously don't see why you are so enamored by Hill, unless it is just that you hate Winston so badly for some reason.
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