Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints

06-27-2021, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it...[/B]

Never knew that.

Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different.

Now he's headed to Canton

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AsylumGuido · 06-27-2021, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Never knew that.

Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different.

Now he's headed to Canton .

Yup. In his third season, 2003. He started the first eight games at 1-7 and was benched for Doug Flutie. He came back in week 15 (game 14) and started every game other than the last game of the 2004 season when they had already clinched for the rest of his time there.

gosaints1 · 06-27-2021, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Never knew that.

Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different.

Now he's headed to Canton .

Headed to Canton…, built on a Black & Gold Legacy. Here’s my McDonald’s quote for the world: “I’m loving it”. The fact that I can needle Nick Saban about his failed NFL experiment, regardless of whether picking DB#9 up was his call or not, only makes me smile more. Seriously…, loving it.

Good day for the B&G when the first ballot HOF’er is enshrined!

Thirty3 · 06-27-2021, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not as smart? The Wonderlic measures a person's ability to process information quickly. Winston scored a 27 on the test. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning both scored 28's.

Everything I've ever heard about Winston is how intelligent he is.

"Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher is not surprised by reports that quarterback Jameis Winston impressed NFL teams with the intelligence he demonstrated in interviews at the Combine.

Fisher, who has been a quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach for 27 years, said he has never coached a player with the level of football intelligence that Winston possesses.

“Jameis, in football intellect, intelligence level, is as smart as anybody I’ve ever been around,” Fisher said on NFL Network. “You can do so many different things with him and he grasps it. He just doesn’t memorize plays, he understands the concepts of how to attack the coverage, how a play works, where his one-on-one matchups are. He just has a tremendous football intellect that way.”"

TESTS??? The REAL tests are the games. 5 years NFL experience. Looking at the resume' I'd give the new guy (Hill) a shot instead of a failed Winston.

Thirty3 · 06-27-2021, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not as smart? The Wonderlic measures a person's ability to process information quickly. Winston scored a 27 on the test. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning both scored 28's.

Everything I've ever heard about Winston is how intelligent he is.

"Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher is not surprised by reports that quarterback Jameis Winston impressed NFL teams with the intelligence he demonstrated in interviews at the Combine.

Fisher, who has been a quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach for 27 years, said he has never coached a player with the level of football intelligence that Winston possesses.

“Jameis, in football intellect, intelligence level, is as smart as anybody I’ve ever been around,” Fisher said on NFL Network. “You can do so many different things with him and he grasps it. He just doesn’t memorize plays, he understands the concepts of how to attack the coverage, how a play works, where his one-on-one matchups are. He just has a tremendous football intellect that way.”"

And yet you said he didn't know the playbook by week 11. ho-hum

iceshack149 · 06-27-2021, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Actually, the Chargers did pass on Philip Rivers in the 2004 draft. They selected Eli Manning, instead.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mannings were up front they didn't want Eli playing in San Diego because of the way that franchise was run - Lessons from Archie Manning's career ruined by John Mecom...

San Diego knew this and were looking at Rivers also; still selected Manning knowing they'd get Rivers and picks to boot - Saving face, Salvaging a Disadvantaged Hand...

Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it...

Exactly.

AsylumGuido · 06-27-2021, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

And yet you said he didn't know the playbook by week 11. ho-hum

No. I said Hill had two more years of experience with the playbook with Winston having no off-season and limited COVID practices in season at all. Keep trying. You are failing left and right.

AsylumGuido · 06-27-2021, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

TESTS??? The REAL tests are the games. 5 years NFL experience. Looking at the resume' I'd give the new guy (Hill) a shot instead of a failed Winston.

Failed? You seriously do not know football.

And thank God you don't have any say.

jeanpierre · 06-27-2021, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Mismanagement and an inconsistent QB that hadn't reached his potential. Sounds a lot like Tampa Bay and Winston, doesn't it?

Mismanagement? #WTF?!?

Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl?

jnormand · 06-27-2021, 07:35 PM

You guys are arguing with someone that refuses to see anyone's logic except his own. Which most of the time is based on popular opinion or what makes him look smart. Lol

06-27-2021, 12:28 PM	#31
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06-27-2021, 12:46 PM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,505	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Never knew that. Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different. Now he's headed to Canton . Yup. In his third season, 2003. He started the first eight games at 1-7 and was benched for Doug Flutie. He came back in week 15 (game 14) and started every game other than the last game of the 2004 season when they had already clinched for the rest of his time there.

06-27-2021, 01:02 PM	#33
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Never knew that. Getting benched may have worked in his favor. Made him work smarter, faster, stronger. Not to mention a HC that believed in his ability. DB is just built different. Now he's headed to Canton . Headed to Canton…, built on a Black & Gold Legacy. Here’s my McDonald’s quote for the world: “I’m loving it”. The fact that I can needle Nick Saban about his failed NFL experiment, regardless of whether picking DB#9 up was his call or not, only makes me smile more. Seriously…, loving it. Good day for the B&G when the first ballot HOF’er is enshrined! K Major and Boston Saint like this.
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06-27-2021, 03:22 PM	#34
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not as smart? The Wonderlic measures a person's ability to process information quickly. Winston scored a 27 on the test. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning both scored 28's. Everything I've ever heard about Winston is how intelligent he is. "Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher is not surprised by reports that quarterback Jameis Winston impressed NFL teams with the intelligence he demonstrated in interviews at the Combine. Fisher, who has been a quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach for 27 years, said he has never coached a player with the level of football intelligence that Winston possesses. “Jameis, in football intellect, intelligence level, is as smart as anybody I’ve ever been around,” Fisher said on NFL Network. “You can do so many different things with him and he grasps it. He just doesn’t memorize plays, he understands the concepts of how to attack the coverage, how a play works, where his one-on-one matchups are. He just has a tremendous football intellect that way.”" TESTS??? The REAL tests are the games. 5 years NFL experience. Looking at the resume' I'd give the new guy (Hill) a shot instead of a failed Winston. jnormand likes this.
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06-27-2021, 03:23 PM	#35
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not as smart? The Wonderlic measures a person's ability to process information quickly. Winston scored a 27 on the test. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning both scored 28's. Everything I've ever heard about Winston is how intelligent he is. "Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher is not surprised by reports that quarterback Jameis Winston impressed NFL teams with the intelligence he demonstrated in interviews at the Combine. Fisher, who has been a quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach for 27 years, said he has never coached a player with the level of football intelligence that Winston possesses. “Jameis, in football intellect, intelligence level, is as smart as anybody I’ve ever been around,” Fisher said on NFL Network. “You can do so many different things with him and he grasps it. He just doesn’t memorize plays, he understands the concepts of how to attack the coverage, how a play works, where his one-on-one matchups are. He just has a tremendous football intellect that way.”" And yet you said he didn't know the playbook by week 11. ho-hum jnormand likes this.
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06-27-2021, 04:11 PM	#36
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,343 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Actually, the Chargers did pass on Philip Rivers in the 2004 draft. They selected Eli Manning, instead. Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mannings were up front they didn't want Eli playing in San Diego because of the way that franchise was run - Lessons from Archie Manning's career ruined by John Mecom... San Diego knew this and were looking at Rivers also; still selected Manning knowing they'd get Rivers and picks to boot - Saving face, Salvaging a Disadvantaged Hand... Brees had been inconsistent at that point, even being benched for poor play; San Diego had a prototype in mind at QB, and Brees at 6' 0" wasn't it... Exactly.

06-27-2021, 05:34 PM	#37
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,505	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Thirty3 And yet you said he didn't know the playbook by week 11. ho-hum No. I said Hill had two more years of experience with the playbook with Winston having no off-season and limited COVID practices in season at all. Keep trying. You are failing left and right.

06-27-2021, 05:35 PM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,505	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Thirty3 TESTS??? The REAL tests are the games. 5 years NFL experience. Looking at the resume' I'd give the new guy (Hill) a shot instead of a failed Winston. Failed? You seriously do not know football. And thank God you don't have any say.

06-27-2021, 07:23 PM	#39
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Mismanagement and an inconsistent QB that hadn't reached his potential. Sounds a lot like Tampa Bay and Winston, doesn't it? Mismanagement? #WTF?!? Are you that detached from reality that you do not realize Tampa Bay just jettisoned Jameis Winston, signed Tom Brady, and won a Super Bowl? jnormand likes this.

06-27-2021, 07:35 PM	#40
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: Jameis Winston’s potential with the New Orleans Saints You guys are arguing with someone that refuses to see anyone's logic except his own. Which most of the time is based on popular opinion or what makes him look smart. Lol