Luke Johnson | Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense

08-15-2021, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Hill, no. Jameis, jury's out but I thought he played well despite leading the 2nd and 3rd string. He went through his progressions, didn't risk too much. Some of those throws were absolute ropes!

Fumble, not his fault. INT, underthrown (slightly) but arguably not his fault and had that been completed we're talking about him as the #1 QB.

JW played horrible. He was shaken in the pocket and held the ball way too long. He threw one or two good balls but was sacked more than that. TH one int was because the wr sat down instead of continuing his route.

rezburna · 08-15-2021, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

JW played horrible. He was shaken in the pocket and held the ball way too long. He threw one or two good balls but was sacked more than that. TH one int was because the wr sat down instead of continuing his route.

Winston got sacked once. Hill was sacked too by Patrick Queen running around behind the line of scrimmage after he had already thrown one interception and another should be pick that was dropped by the defender. Was he not holding it too long as well? Winston looked much more polished than Hill.

Boston Saint · 08-15-2021, 02:59 PM

Sorry, double post

Boston Saint · 08-15-2021, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Hill
By far played the best of the two. JW was slow on release and held the ball as long as AB use too. It’s hills to lose at this point. Wouldn’t be surprised it JW is released or traded before the season

Yes, but you have an admitted bias Voo . NFL network has the game on Monday morning I believe. I’ll watch it then.

neugey · 08-15-2021, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If the Saints organization started Book over Winston and Hill you can guarantee there would be a mass exodus and an increase in trade requests. You’d lose that locker room instantly. The players want Winston as it is. Payton needs to choose leader sooner than later.

I'm the biggest Book supporter you will find and I agree with this. Winston needs a stretch of at least 5 games to show what he can do in this system. I think Hill is at his best when he is only used at QB for a few plays or a series where he has full energy and can really be a dual threat weapon without worrying about pacing himself. That being said, I can understand Payton being vague - keep the Packers guessing what they will be looking at in week 1.

voodooido · 08-15-2021, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Winston got sacked once. Hill was sacked too by Patrick Queen running around behind the line of scrimmage after he had already thrown one interception and another should be pick that was dropped by the defender. Was he not holding it too long as well? Winston looked much more polished than Hill.

His 1 int was 100% on the wr. Go back and look at how long they both held the ball and tell me who his issues with their release timing. I have it on dvr. I’ve watched it twice. Hill didn’t even attempt to leave the pocket and him running is his go to. He played 10x better. Even book played better than JW. You are going to be one sad individual when he’s no longer on the team in a month.

voodooido · 08-15-2021, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yes, but you have an admitted bias Voo . NFL network has the game on Monday morning I believe. I’ll watch it then.

No bias here. If JW was the best option I’d go with him. He failed at simple swing passes. He is no longer a starting qb.

rezburna · 08-15-2021, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

His 1 int was 100% on the wr. Go back and look at how long they both held the ball and tell me who his issues with their release timing. I have it on dvr. I’ve watched it twice. Hill didn’t even attempt to leave the pocket and him running is his go to. He played 10x better. Even book played better than JW. You are going to be one sad individual when he’s no longer on the team in a month.

He did attempt to leave the pocket and got sacked by Patrick Queen. We’ve got two QB’s who didn’t put any points on the board versus one who led an 80 yard drive that culminated in him throwing a TD to LJ Humphrey. All of our points came off of Jameis Winston drives.

saintfan · 08-15-2021, 03:25 PM

I didn't get to watch the game - have seen a few plays from the game. Not gonna judge what I haven't seen, but Winston's pick looked like he threw the ball to the wrong side of the WR. It also looked like the WR might have helped him out but didn't. Hill's looked like the receiver stopped short on the route?

Anyway, too early to make a call either way.

Boston Saint · 08-15-2021, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

No bias here. If JW was the best option I’d go with him. He failed at simple swing passes. He is no longer a starting qb.

Maybe bias is the wrong word. But you have said even before this game that you don’t think Winston can cut it. Pardon me if I say it COULD be that you are seeing what you want as reinforcement. It doesn’t seem like Hill did anything more outstanding with the first string than Winston did with the second. I’ve not seen the game, but saying he’s cut before the season seems a little extreme.

08-15-2021, 02:49 PM	#11
Threaded by voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Hill, no. Jameis, jury's out but I thought he played well despite leading the 2nd and 3rd string. He went through his progressions, didn't risk too much. Some of those throws were absolute ropes! Fumble, not his fault. INT, underthrown (slightly) but arguably not his fault and had that been completed we're talking about him as the #1 QB. JW played horrible. He was shaken in the pocket and held the ball way too long. He threw one or two good balls but was sacked more than that. TH one int was because the wr sat down instead of continuing his route.
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08-15-2021, 02:55 PM	#12
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Originally Posted by voodooido JW played horrible. He was shaken in the pocket and held the ball way too long. He threw one or two good balls but was sacked more than that. TH one int was because the wr sat down instead of continuing his route. Winston got sacked once. Hill was sacked too by Patrick Queen running around behind the line of scrimmage after he had already thrown one interception and another should be pick that was dropped by the defender. Was he not holding it too long as well? Winston looked much more polished than Hill.

08-15-2021, 02:59 PM	#13
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Sorry, double post

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Originally Posted by voodooido Hill By far played the best of the two. JW was slow on release and held the ball as long as AB use too. It’s hills to lose at this point. Wouldn’t be surprised it JW is released or traded before the season Yes, but you have an admitted bias Voo . NFL network has the game on Monday morning I believe. I’ll watch it then.

08-15-2021, 03:04 PM	#15
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Originally Posted by rezburna If the Saints organization started Book over Winston and Hill you can guarantee there would be a mass exodus and an increase in trade requests. You’d lose that locker room instantly. The players want Winston as it is. Payton needs to choose leader sooner than later. I'm the biggest Book supporter you will find and I agree with this. Winston needs a stretch of at least 5 games to show what he can do in this system. I think Hill is at his best when he is only used at QB for a few plays or a series where he has full energy and can really be a dual threat weapon without worrying about pacing himself. That being said, I can understand Payton being vague - keep the Packers guessing what they will be looking at in week 1. K Major and rezburna like this.

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08-15-2021, 03:05 PM	#16
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Originally Posted by rezburna Winston got sacked once. Hill was sacked too by Patrick Queen running around behind the line of scrimmage after he had already thrown one interception and another should be pick that was dropped by the defender. Was he not holding it too long as well? Winston looked much more polished than Hill. His 1 int was 100% on the wr. Go back and look at how long they both held the ball and tell me who his issues with their release timing. I have it on dvr. I’ve watched it twice. Hill didn’t even attempt to leave the pocket and him running is his go to. He played 10x better. Even book played better than JW. You are going to be one sad individual when he’s no longer on the team in a month.
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08-15-2021, 03:06 PM	#17
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yes, but you have an admitted bias Voo . NFL network has the game on Monday morning I believe. I’ll watch it then. No bias here. If JW was the best option I’d go with him. He failed at simple swing passes. He is no longer a starting qb.
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08-15-2021, 03:08 PM	#18
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Originally Posted by voodooido His 1 int was 100% on the wr. Go back and look at how long they both held the ball and tell me who his issues with their release timing. I have it on dvr. I’ve watched it twice. Hill didn’t even attempt to leave the pocket and him running is his go to. He played 10x better. Even book played better than JW. You are going to be one sad individual when he’s no longer on the team in a month. He did attempt to leave the pocket and got sacked by Patrick Queen. We’ve got two QB’s who didn’t put any points on the board versus one who led an 80 yard drive that culminated in him throwing a TD to LJ Humphrey. All of our points came off of Jameis Winston drives.

08-15-2021, 03:25 PM	#19
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense I didn't get to watch the game - have seen a few plays from the game. Not gonna judge what I haven't seen, but Winston's pick looked like he threw the ball to the wrong side of the WR. It also looked like the WR might have helped him out but didn't. Hill's looked like the receiver stopped short on the route? Anyway, too early to make a call either way. darksoul35 likes this.

08-15-2021, 03:27 PM	#20
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Luke Johnson \| Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense Originally Posted by voodooido No bias here. If JW was the best option I’d go with him. He failed at simple swing passes. He is no longer a starting qb. Maybe bias is the wrong word. But you have said even before this game that you don’t think Winston can cut it. Pardon me if I say it COULD be that you are seeing what you want as reinforcement. It doesn’t seem like Hill did anything more outstanding with the first string than Winston did with the second. I’ve not seen the game, but saying he’s cut before the season seems a little extreme.