Saints Are Offering Refunds

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process.

“The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.”

This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/

Australia has similar restrictions coming.

Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new.

But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new.

But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

So, you are looking for one specific thing I’m not referring to while sticking your fingers in your ear, shaking your head and screaming out loud while you ignore my points. You are right Guido. In your case haters gonna hate...”insert cat here”.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new.

But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view.

Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it!

Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make
them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want to see is is people comply.

You can’t handle it when people don’t agree with you about the Saints past decisions and you can’t handle when people don’t agree with your stance on the balance between government intervention and government control. The fact
that you won’t give credence to this opposing viewpoint is vital. You egotistically and proudly unable to even try to understand an opposing viewpoint.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make
them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want is people
to comply.

Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag?

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

How about free speech, free press, Bearing arms, free assembly, Practice of religion. I suppose those should just go away because the government says so too Guido ?

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:36 PM

it’s interesting to me. I live close to two significant spots of American historical importance. One of those is the North Bridge were the first shots of the revolutionary war were fired. The other is Salem where the witchcraft trials were held. It’s amazing how some people on this site remind me of one of those places and some remind me of the other.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-28-2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag?

If your kid can keep his/her air to him/herself then you and they are free to do anything you/they like. In the same vein you can swing and punch your fists anyway you like as long as you don't hit anyone.

Just like the anti-vaxxers are requiring guarantees that the vaccine is 100% safe long term and will 100% protect them (neither which are possible), other need 100% guarantees that an unmasked kid isn't going to infect them. A kid in a mask is much less likely to infect someone in their space.

If you don't want your kid to wear a mask, then keep that kid home. Your right to be unmasked ends at the point where others can be affected, and infected, by that decision.

SFIAH

08-28-2021, 01:01 PM	#131
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process. “The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.” This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/ Australia has similar restrictions coming. Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new. But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

08-28-2021, 01:15 PM	#132
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new. But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports". So, you are looking for one specific thing I’m not referring to while sticking your fingers in your ear, shaking your head and screaming out loud while you ignore my points. You are right Guido. In your case haters gonna hate...”insert cat here”.

08-28-2021, 01:26 PM	#133
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new. But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports". You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view.

08-28-2021, 02:07 PM	#134
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view. Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

08-28-2021, 02:14 PM	#135
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently. Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want to see is is people comply. You can’t handle it when people don’t agree with you about the Saints past decisions and you can’t handle when people don’t agree with your stance on the balance between government intervention and government control. The fact that you won’t give credence to this opposing viewpoint is vital. You egotistically and proudly unable to even try to understand an opposing viewpoint. iceshack149 likes this.

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08-28-2021, 02:17 PM	#136
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want is people to comply. Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

08-28-2021, 02:23 PM	#137
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws? So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag?

08-28-2021, 02:28 PM	#138
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws? How about free speech, free press, Bearing arms, free assembly, Practice of religion. I suppose those should just go away because the government says so too Guido ?

08-28-2021, 02:36 PM	#139
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds it’s interesting to me. I live close to two significant spots of American historical importance. One of those is the North Bridge were the first shots of the revolutionary war were fired. The other is Salem where the witchcraft trials were held. It’s amazing how some people on this site remind me of one of those places and some remind me of the other. Flipx99 likes this.

08-28-2021, 04:16 PM	#140
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag? If your kid can keep his/her air to him/herself then you and they are free to do anything you/they like. In the same vein you can swing and punch your fists anyway you like as long as you don't hit anyone. Just like the anti-vaxxers are requiring guarantees that the vaccine is 100% safe long term and will 100% protect them (neither which are possible), other need 100% guarantees that an unmasked kid isn't going to infect them. A kid in a mask is much less likely to infect someone in their space. If you don't want your kid to wear a mask, then keep that kid home. Your right to be unmasked ends at the point where others can be affected, and infected, by that decision. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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