Saints Are Offering Refunds

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

SFIAH

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Boston Saint · 08-21-2021, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

By the way, what does "individual freedom" mean?

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An example is to not force (ask) a child to wear a face covering as a requisite to attend taxpayer funded schools under the guise that doing so will protect other children from a virus that has a less chance of killing them than does the virus they encounter during a normal flu season. Let’s start with that.

halloween 65 · 08-21-2021, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others.

Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose.

If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case.

No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

vtiger72 · 08-21-2021, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

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An example is to not force (ask) a child to wear a face covering as a requisite to attend taxpayer funded schools under the guise that doing so will protect other children from a virus that has a less chance of killing them than does the virus they encounter during a normal flu season. Let’s start with that.

Do you agree with schools requiring dress codes or uniforms? Why is a mask any different?

Rugby Saint II · 08-22-2021, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game.

That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.

I'm not sure that all that testing is necessary on game day. People just need to show their vaccination card or proof of a negative test. It's not just for attending games. Vaccinations save lives.

It's almost funny how the deniers go to the doctor for help when they get Covid by going to the ER for doctors to help make them better. If someone doesn't think it works then maybe they don't need to fill the ER when they get sick and save that room for people who believe that doctors can help them. Just sayin'.

Rugby Saint II · 08-22-2021, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ...

The hospital released me even though I had pneumonia and a lung infection to make room for Covid patients. I did not want to go home and do my own infusions but I had no choice. Every time a Covid patient is hospitalized there is less room for other major ailments. Just get vaccinated and don't worry that it is an infringement on personal freedumbs.

JayFoster · 08-22-2021, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If people want to vaccinate, fine. If people do not want to vaccinate, fine. If people want to mask fine. If not mask, fine. The idea of telling others what they should do because it is good for other people is not supported by logic
nor science and against the idea of individual freedom. I will no doubt now hear a version of “you don’t have a study” as a rebuff.

We tell people they must have driver's licenses to drive.

We tell people they must stop at red lights.

I could go on but you get the point.

JayFoster · 08-22-2021, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you?

This is incorrect.

Go read the studies at JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, NIH, pubmed.org.

Rugby Saint II · 08-22-2021, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

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An example is to not force (ask) a child to wear a face covering as a requisite to attend taxpayer funded schools under the guise that doing so will protect other children from a virus that has a less chance of killing them than does the virus they encounter during a normal flu season. Let’s start with that.

But they can spread it to anyone they get close to.

08-21-2021, 04:16 PM	#61
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL SFIAH "Freedom without obligation is anarchy; freedom with obligation is democracy." - Earl Riney

08-21-2021, 04:25 PM	#62
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido By the way, what does "individual freedom" mean? . An example is to not force (ask) a child to wear a face covering as a requisite to attend taxpayer funded schools under the guise that doing so will protect other children from a virus that has a less chance of killing them than does the virus they encounter during a normal flu season. Let’s start with that. jeanpierre, skymike and halloween 65 like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others. Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose. If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case. No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

08-21-2021, 04:45 PM	#64
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by halloween 65 No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

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08-22-2021, 01:26 PM	#66
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game. That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus. I'm not sure that all that testing is necessary on game day. People just need to show their vaccination card or proof of a negative test. It's not just for attending games. Vaccinations save lives. It's almost funny how the deniers go to the doctor for help when they get Covid by going to the ER for doctors to help make them better. If someone doesn't think it works then maybe they don't need to fill the ER when they get sick and save that room for people who believe that doctors can help them. Just sayin'. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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08-22-2021, 01:32 PM	#67
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ... The hospital released me even though I had pneumonia and a lung infection to make room for Covid patients. I did not want to go home and do my own infusions but I had no choice. Every time a Covid patient is hospitalized there is less room for other major ailments. Just get vaccinated and don't worry that it is an infringement on personal freedumbs. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

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JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint If people want to vaccinate, fine. If people do not want to vaccinate, fine. If people want to mask fine. If not mask, fine. The idea of telling others what they should do because it is good for other people is not supported by logic nor science and against the idea of individual freedom. I will no doubt now hear a version of “you don’t have a study” as a rebuff. We tell people they must have driver's licenses to drive. We tell people they must stop at red lights. I could go on but you get the point. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-22-2021, 01:34 PM	#69
JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by halloween 65 Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you? This is incorrect. Go read the studies at JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, NIH, pubmed.org.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint . An example is to not force (ask) a child to wear a face covering as a requisite to attend taxpayer funded schools under the guise that doing so will protect other children from a virus that has a less chance of killing them than does the virus they encounter during a normal flu season. Let’s start with that. But they can spread it to anyone they get close to. SmashMouth likes this.