Saints Are Offering Refunds

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2021, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Last numbers show well above 99% overall.

The 51% of Americans that are now fully vaccinated are helping those numbers tremendously.

Rugby Saint II · 08-25-2021, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

I am curious, what do you think the survival rate is for people who contract Covid?

There is more to it than just the death rate. It can do serious damage to your lungs and the brain fog may never go away. I don't want anyone to suffer through Covid. I had Covid long haulers for seven months and I was miserable the whole time. I still have problems related to Covid. People who think it's like the cold or flu can be dead wrong.

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2021, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

There is more to it than just the death rate. It can do serious damage to your lungs and the brain fog may never go away. I don't want anyone to suffer through Covid. I had Covid long haulers for seven months and I was miserable the whole time. I still have problems related to Covid. People who think it's like the cold or flu can be dead wrong.

They don't care, Rugs.

Boston Saint · 08-25-2021, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They don't care, Rugs.

Ah, yes. People who don’t agree with you don’t care. They aren’t as “compassionate as I am.”

Right from the “How to belittle your opponent 101” playbook.

Flipx99 · 08-25-2021, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

There is more to it than just the death rate. It can do serious damage to your lungs and the brain fog may never go away. I don't want anyone to suffer through Covid. I had Covid long haulers for seven months and I was miserable the whole time. I still have problems related to Covid. People who think it's like the cold or flu can be dead wrong.

Oh, I'm not suggesting that it can't be serious for some people. What I am saying is that based on the survival rate, an ominous and definitive statement such as "get your final affairs in order" is not warranted. For a lot of people having Covid will be no worse than having a cold and far less severe than the flu.

One can take it seriously and yet not pretend that having Covid is a near certain death sentence. I think part of the reason people are reluctant to take the virus is because there has not been an honest public discussion of this virus.

AsylumGuido · 08-25-2021, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

Oh, I'm not suggesting that it can't be serious for some people. What I am saying is that based on the survival rate, an ominous and definitive statement such as "get your final affairs in order" is not warranted. For a lot of people having Covid will be no worse than having a cold and far less severe than the flu.

One can take it seriously and yet not pretend that having Covid is a near certain death sentence. I think part of the reason people are reluctant to take the virus is because there has not been an honest public discussion of this virus.

It seems pretty public to me. We have close friends that are in the hospitals dealing with this on a daily basis. They are doing their best to educate people on what is going on, but are being ignored, being called liars and such by those with some other agenda. That agenda most commonly appears to be "Don't Tread On Me" and be damned with those that don't agree.

It isn't the death rate that is staggering. It is the hospitalization rate that is reaching and exceeding pandemic highs. People that need immediate non-COVID related hospital care cannot find rooms because they are all filled by primarily unvaccinated COVID patients. Thankfully the death rate isn't higher as you pointed out, but the damage being done is still catastrophic to them, their families, and to others. They are confined to rooms for weeks at a time. And now it's the kids!

Rugby Saint II · 08-26-2021, 02:29 PM

I have come around to thinking that it is a personal liberty. But I still have my doubts that it is best for the country.

Rugby Saint II · 08-28-2021, 11:37 AM

My friend who also played rugby just got of the hospital from Covid. It was breathing problems that put him there and he was in shape but unfortunately the damage is done to his lungs. I'm not going to tell anyone again what to do about their beliefs regarding the hazards of Covid but I strongly suggest that you do get your shots. People are twice as likely to be hospitalized with the Delta variant.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:36 PM

it’s interesting to me. I live close to two significant spots of American historical importance. One of those is the North Bridge were the first shots of the revolutionary war were fired. The other is Salem where the witchcraft trials were held. It’s amazing how some people on this site remind me of one of those places and some remind me of the other.

OldMaid · 08-30-2021, 10:40 PM

Best possible solution to this craziness. Odd times we are in.

08-25-2021, 03:00 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SmashMouth Last numbers show well above 99% overall. The 51% of Americans that are now fully vaccinated are helping those numbers tremendously.

08-25-2021, 02:18 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 I am curious, what do you think the survival rate is for people who contract Covid? There is more to it than just the death rate. It can do serious damage to your lungs and the brain fog may never go away. I don't want anyone to suffer through Covid. I had Covid long haulers for seven months and I was miserable the whole time. I still have problems related to Covid. People who think it's like the cold or flu can be dead wrong. AsylumGuido likes this.

08-25-2021, 02:58 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II There is more to it than just the death rate. It can do serious damage to your lungs and the brain fog may never go away. I don't want anyone to suffer through Covid. I had Covid long haulers for seven months and I was miserable the whole time. I still have problems related to Covid. People who think it's like the cold or flu can be dead wrong. They don't care, Rugs.

08-25-2021, 03:07 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They don't care, Rugs. Ah, yes. People who don’t agree with you don’t care. They aren’t as “compassionate as I am.” Right from the “How to belittle your opponent 101” playbook. iceshack149 likes this.

08-25-2021, 03:56 PM	#5
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II There is more to it than just the death rate. It can do serious damage to your lungs and the brain fog may never go away. I don't want anyone to suffer through Covid. I had Covid long haulers for seven months and I was miserable the whole time. I still have problems related to Covid. People who think it's like the cold or flu can be dead wrong. Oh, I'm not suggesting that it can't be serious for some people. What I am saying is that based on the survival rate, an ominous and definitive statement such as "get your final affairs in order" is not warranted. For a lot of people having Covid will be no worse than having a cold and far less severe than the flu. One can take it seriously and yet not pretend that having Covid is a near certain death sentence. I think part of the reason people are reluctant to take the virus is because there has not been an honest public discussion of this virus. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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08-25-2021, 04:10 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 Oh, I'm not suggesting that it can't be serious for some people. What I am saying is that based on the survival rate, an ominous and definitive statement such as "get your final affairs in order" is not warranted. For a lot of people having Covid will be no worse than having a cold and far less severe than the flu. One can take it seriously and yet not pretend that having Covid is a near certain death sentence. I think part of the reason people are reluctant to take the virus is because there has not been an honest public discussion of this virus. It seems pretty public to me. We have close friends that are in the hospitals dealing with this on a daily basis. They are doing their best to educate people on what is going on, but are being ignored, being called liars and such by those with some other agenda. That agenda most commonly appears to be "Don't Tread On Me" and be damned with those that don't agree. It isn't the death rate that is staggering. It is the hospitalization rate that is reaching and exceeding pandemic highs. People that need immediate non-COVID related hospital care cannot find rooms because they are all filled by primarily unvaccinated COVID patients. Thankfully the death rate isn't higher as you pointed out, but the damage being done is still catastrophic to them, their families, and to others. They are confined to rooms for weeks at a time. And now it's the kids!
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

08-26-2021, 02:29 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds I have come around to thinking that it is a personal liberty. But I still have my doubts that it is best for the country. Flipx99 and Boston Saint like this.

08-28-2021, 11:37 AM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds My friend who also played rugby just got of the hospital from Covid. It was breathing problems that put him there and he was in shape but unfortunately the damage is done to his lungs. I'm not going to tell anyone again what to do about their beliefs regarding the hazards of Covid but I strongly suggest that you do get your shots. People are twice as likely to be hospitalized with the Delta variant.

08-28-2021, 02:36 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds it’s interesting to me. I live close to two significant spots of American historical importance. One of those is the North Bridge were the first shots of the revolutionary war were fired. The other is Salem where the witchcraft trials were held. It’s amazing how some people on this site remind me of one of those places and some remind me of the other. Flipx99 likes this.

08-30-2021, 10:40 PM	#10
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,919 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Best possible solution to this craziness. Odd times we are in.