Saints Are Offering Refunds

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view.

Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it!

Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make
them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want to see is is people comply.

You can’t handle it when people don’t agree with you about the Saints past decisions and you can’t handle when people don’t agree with your stance on the balance between government intervention and government control. The fact
that you won’t give credence to this opposing viewpoint is vital. You egotistically and proudly unable to even try to understand an opposing viewpoint.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make
them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want is people
to comply.

Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-28-2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag?

If your kid can keep his/her air to him/herself then you and they are free to do anything you/they like. In the same vein you can swing and punch your fists anyway you like as long as you don't hit anyone.

Just like the anti-vaxxers are requiring guarantees that the vaccine is 100% safe long term and will 100% protect them (neither which are possible), other need 100% guarantees that an unmasked kid isn't going to infect them. A kid in a mask is much less likely to infect someone in their space.

If you don't want your kid to wear a mask, then keep that kid home. Your right to be unmasked ends at the point where others can be affected, and infected, by that decision.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 04:19 PM

LOL!

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

How about free speech, free press, Bearing arms, free assembly, Practice of religion. I suppose those should just go away because the government says so too Guido ?

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

How about free speech, free press, Bearing arms, free assembly, Practice of religion. I suppose those should just go away because the government says so too Guido ?

And what does any of that have to do with requiring proof of vaccination for travel? Show me where the Constitution or the Bill of Rights states that citizens are free to openly spread disease solely because they do not want to be inconvenienced.

Exactly what Right has the government said "should just go away," Boston?

Flipx99 · 08-28-2021, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And what does any of that have to do with requiring proof of vaccination for travel? Show me where the Constitution or the Bill of Rights states that citizens are free to openly spread disease solely because they do not want to be inconvenienced.

Exactly what Right has the government said "should just go away," Boston?

The right to travel is recognized as a fundamental liberty. The government can't infringe upon that right simply by making **** up like you are doing when you say, 'Show me where you have the right to infect people with Covid."

You are pretending that anyone who does not have vaccine papers is infectious, and anyone who does have them is not.

That's not a position based on logic. Furthermore, vaccine passport type policies completely ignore that some citizens are not even eligible to take the vaccine (children), some should not have the vaccine pursuant to CDC guidance (those who have had Covid within the last 90 days), and still others who have opted not to get the vaccine after consulting with their physicians.

And that's before we even get to the question of why we are giving such a priority to immunity gained through vaccination over immunity gained naturally. That is a significant question given that roughly 60% of our population has likely already been infected and the science is not at all clear that vaccines for such people will afford greater immunity or that it will be safe for such people.

Weak people love to turn to government to control other people as well as themselves.

Guido, in your spare time you should read the Gulag Archipelago and Ordinary Men. They both serve as warnings about how easily people become sheep.

Rugby Saint II · 08-29-2021, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

The right to travel is recognized as a fundamental liberty. The government can't infringe upon that right simply by making **** up like you are doing when you say, 'Show me where you have the right to infect people with Covid."

You are pretending that anyone who does not have vaccine papers is infectious, and anyone who does have them is not.

That's not a position based on logic. Furthermore, vaccine passport type policies completely ignore that some citizens are not even eligible to take the vaccine (children), some should not have the vaccine pursuant to CDC guidance (those who have had Covid within the last 90 days), and still others who have opted not to get the vaccine after consulting with their physicians.

And that's before we even get to the question of why we are giving such a priority to immunity gained through vaccination over immunity gained naturally. That is a significant question given that roughly 60% of our population has likely already been infected and the science is not at all clear that vaccines for such people will afford greater immunity or that it will be safe for such people.

Weak people love to turn to government to control other people as well as themselves.

Guido, in your spare time you should read the Gulag Archipelago and Ordinary Men. They both serve as warnings about how easily people become sheep.

That sounds like what is called culling the herd.

08-28-2021, 02:07 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view. Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

08-28-2021, 02:14 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently. Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want to see is is people comply. You can’t handle it when people don’t agree with you about the Saints past decisions and you can’t handle when people don’t agree with your stance on the balance between government intervention and government control. The fact that you won’t give credence to this opposing viewpoint is vital. You egotistically and proudly unable to even try to understand an opposing viewpoint. iceshack149 likes this.

08-28-2021, 02:17 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want is people to comply. Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws?

08-28-2021, 02:23 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws? So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag?

08-28-2021, 04:16 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, because I agree I should not walk around punching people that means I should agree to forcing my kid to walk around with a ball gag? If your kid can keep his/her air to him/herself then you and they are free to do anything you/they like. In the same vein you can swing and punch your fists anyway you like as long as you don't hit anyone. Just like the anti-vaxxers are requiring guarantees that the vaccine is 100% safe long term and will 100% protect them (neither which are possible), other need 100% guarantees that an unmasked kid isn't going to infect them. A kid in a mask is much less likely to infect someone in their space. If you don't want your kid to wear a mask, then keep that kid home. Your right to be unmasked ends at the point where others can be affected, and infected, by that decision. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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08-28-2021, 04:19 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds LOL!

08-28-2021, 02:28 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Without some sort of compliance you have anarchy. Do you do what you are told by your boss at work? Do you follow traffic laws? How about free speech, free press, Bearing arms, free assembly, Practice of religion. I suppose those should just go away because the government says so too Guido ?

08-28-2021, 04:25 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint How about free speech, free press, Bearing arms, free assembly, Practice of religion. I suppose those should just go away because the government says so too Guido ? And what does any of that have to do with requiring proof of vaccination for travel? Show me where the Constitution or the Bill of Rights states that citizens are free to openly spread disease solely because they do not want to be inconvenienced. Exactly what Right has the government said "should just go away," Boston?

08-28-2021, 08:50 PM	#9
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And what does any of that have to do with requiring proof of vaccination for travel? Show me where the Constitution or the Bill of Rights states that citizens are free to openly spread disease solely because they do not want to be inconvenienced. Exactly what Right has the government said "should just go away," Boston? The right to travel is recognized as a fundamental liberty. The government can't infringe upon that right simply by making **** up like you are doing when you say, 'Show me where you have the right to infect people with Covid." You are pretending that anyone who does not have vaccine papers is infectious, and anyone who does have them is not. That's not a position based on logic. Furthermore, vaccine passport type policies completely ignore that some citizens are not even eligible to take the vaccine (children), some should not have the vaccine pursuant to CDC guidance (those who have had Covid within the last 90 days), and still others who have opted not to get the vaccine after consulting with their physicians. And that's before we even get to the question of why we are giving such a priority to immunity gained through vaccination over immunity gained naturally. That is a significant question given that roughly 60% of our population has likely already been infected and the science is not at all clear that vaccines for such people will afford greater immunity or that it will be safe for such people. Weak people love to turn to government to control other people as well as themselves. Guido, in your spare time you should read the Gulag Archipelago and Ordinary Men. They both serve as warnings about how easily people become sheep. iceshack149 and jnormand like this.
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08-29-2021, 11:05 AM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 The right to travel is recognized as a fundamental liberty. The government can't infringe upon that right simply by making ** up like you are doing when you say, 'Show me where you have the right to infect people with Covid." You are pretending that anyone who does not have vaccine papers is infectious, and anyone who does have them is not. That's not a position based on logic. Furthermore, vaccine passport type policies completely ignore that some citizens are not even eligible to take the vaccine (children), some should not have the vaccine pursuant to CDC guidance (those who have had Covid within the last 90 days), and still others who have opted not to get the vaccine after consulting with their physicians. And that's before we even get to the question of why we are giving such a priority to immunity gained through vaccination over immunity gained naturally.** That is a significant question given that roughly 60% of our population has likely already been infected and the science is not at all clear that vaccines for such people will afford greater immunity or that it will be safe for such people. Weak people love to turn to government to control other people as well as themselves. Guido, in your spare time you should read the Gulag Archipelago and Ordinary Men. They both serve as warnings about how easily people become sheep. That sounds like what is called culling the herd. AsylumGuido likes this.