Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots

Boston Saint · 09-29-2021, 09:10 AM

I agree with most of this WW, except for labeling him as ineffective and for saying it’s basically the same offense. Without Thomas, a proven secondary receiver to Thomas, and a capable pass catching TE it’s not the same offense. TB and TH had these things while filling in for an injured Brees. Due to Thomas’ selfishness Winston has had to operate without this luxury.

You take away the Carolina game where they got mauled and ran for something like 8 yards then Winston has 7 TDs, no Ints, and like a 62% completion percentage. I call that effective.

jeanpierre · 09-29-2021, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Looks like we’ll have to agree to disagree. Your judging Jameis on his Tampa days and his small sample size here too. All I’m saying is give the man a chance. If we did that then Tannehill and other qb’s that washed out on the original teams would be out the league. If he pans out fantastic if not then move on to Book or dip into the draft or FA to find another. I trust Sean in that if he thinks he’s ok then that’s good enough. I want this team to win no matter who is under center I’m rooting for them not waiting for them to fail

Well, if we apply the same standard, this will be Jameis fourth start as a Saint and we should be able to come to a conclusion on Winston...

Lord_Saint83 · 09-29-2021, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, if we apply the same standard, this will be Jameis fourth start as a Saint and we should be able to come to a conclusion on Winston...

Ok, fair enough so what if he balls out, will you say oh it’s because the giants suck “which they do” or find some other reason as to why he shouldn’t be? They’ll both be 3-1 and Jameis already has the better td to int ratio and has no fumbles

AsylumGuido · 09-29-2021, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

To draw that conclusion upon Taysom's small sample size is ridiculous...

Just as it would be to declare him the next Steve Young as Taysom had a 72% PaCmpRt, 208 PaYd/Gm, 4 PaTD, 4 RuTD, 2 Int, 2 Fl, going 3-1 in his first NFL starts...

If anything Taysom was trending up in his first four NFL starts...

Taysom faced one of the league's worst defenses in Atlanta (twice!), a team without a QB (Denver), and the last place team in the worst division in the NFL (Eagles) and lost that one.

AsylumGuido · 09-29-2021, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, if we apply the same standard, this will be Jameis fourth start as a Saint and we should be able to come to a conclusion on Winston...

I'd argue that as bad as the Giants are this season, they are better than any of the teams Taysom faced in his four games. The first three teams we have faced this season are all much better than what Taysom has faced.

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09-29-2021, 09:10 AM	#121
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,877	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots I agree with most of this WW, except for labeling him as ineffective and for saying it’s basically the same offense. Without Thomas, a proven secondary receiver to Thomas, and a capable pass catching TE it’s not the same offense. TB and TH had these things while filling in for an injured Brees. Due to Thomas’ selfishness Winston has had to operate without this luxury. You take away the Carolina game where they got mauled and ran for something like 8 yards then Winston has 7 TDs, no Ints, and like a 62% completion percentage. I call that effective. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-29-2021, 09:14 AM	#122
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 Looks like we’ll have to agree to disagree. Your judging Jameis on his Tampa days and his small sample size here too. All I’m saying is give the man a chance. If we did that then Tannehill and other qb’s that washed out on the original teams would be out the league. If he pans out fantastic if not then move on to Book or dip into the draft or FA to find another. I trust Sean in that if he thinks he’s ok then that’s good enough. I want this team to win no matter who is under center I’m rooting for them not waiting for them to fail Well, if we apply the same standard, this will be Jameis fourth start as a Saint and we should be able to come to a conclusion on Winston...

09-29-2021, 09:25 AM	#123
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, if we apply the same standard, this will be Jameis fourth start as a Saint and we should be able to come to a conclusion on Winston... Ok, fair enough so what if he balls out, will you say oh it’s because the giants suck “which they do” or find some other reason as to why he shouldn’t be? They’ll both be 3-1 and Jameis already has the better td to int ratio and has no fumbles

09-29-2021, 10:02 AM	#124
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by jeanpierre To draw that conclusion upon Taysom's small sample size is ridiculous... Just as it would be to declare him the next Steve Young as Taysom had a 72% PaCmpRt, 208 PaYd/Gm, 4 PaTD, 4 RuTD, 2 Int, 2 Fl, going 3-1 in his first NFL starts... If anything Taysom was trending up in his first four NFL starts... Taysom faced one of the league's worst defenses in Atlanta (twice!), a team without a QB (Denver), and the last place team in the worst division in the NFL (Eagles) and lost that one.

09-29-2021, 10:04 AM	#125
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, if we apply the same standard, this will be Jameis fourth start as a Saint and we should be able to come to a conclusion on Winston... I'd argue that as bad as the Giants are this season, they are better than any of the teams Taysom faced in his four games. The first three teams we have faced this season are all much better than what Taysom has faced.

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