Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots

cmike · 09-27-2021, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Jameis has two INTs so far. That's on pace for 11-12 for the year. That's an improvement, neaux?

Not really upset about the two INT’s, they were more like punts. I remember someone commenting on the 1st INT took a possible 3 of the board. With the way our kicker is playing, it would have given the Panthers better field position.

papz · 09-27-2021, 08:55 AM

I'm more than happy with playing strong defense, consistently running the football, and limiting turnovers. It's a great recipe for success especially in the post season.

My only concern right now is when we do need to get in a shoot out to win a football game, can we do it? I'm looking forward to having one of those types of game.

saintfan · 09-27-2021, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by papz

My only concern right now is when we do need to get in a shoot out to win a football game, can we do it? I'm looking forward to having one of those types of game.

I don't think we can with our current WRs. We have two QBs who can gun sling it. Problem is they got nobody open to throw it to.

K Major · 09-27-2021, 10:00 AM

Agreed ^^. It's hard enough to succeed at this level of football, but even harder when your QB is throwing to a roster full of undrafted WR's.

No one is getting open. One of those is 5'6 special teams ace transitioning to a WR. Play him man/man, then double Kamara who is going to beat you consistently?

It's going to take Jameis a while to gain confidence in this group. Getting players back (MT, McCoy) will help.

Good to see Stills out there ... only one catch but he moved the chains. He'll have more opportunities going forward.

TheOak · 09-27-2021, 10:10 AM

Probably an unpopular opinion but I see that both of our QBs still play like they are in college.

It's fun and exciting to watch but lacks ball security.

SaintGnome · 09-27-2021, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Probably an unpopular opinion but I see that both of our QBs still play like they are in college.

It's fun and exciting to watch but lacks ball security.

I'm not sure I understand this. There were no turnovers in two of our 3 games by the QB. Late in the game last week, when no one was getting open, Winston wasn't getting a decent pocket, and when there was nothing to lose he threw some wild throws and got picks. I've actually been impressed by the restraint JW has showed. I was talking with a Bucs fan while watching the game yesterday that each time he took a sack versus throwing a wild throw that would probably have been a pick my heart grew little (like the Grinch).

This team is built to win by Defense and running game. JW just needs to pass when he HAS to. So far he pretty much has done so. With Thomas and Smith come back (or trade for random WR) the passing game will be better but I don't expect the overall philosophy will change

TheOak · 09-28-2021, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

I'm not sure I understand this. There were no turnovers in two of our 3 games by the QB. Late in the game last week, when no one was getting open, Winston wasn't getting a decent pocket, and when there was nothing to lose he threw some wild throws and got picks. I've actually been impressed by the restraint JW has showed. I was talking with a Bucs fan while watching the game yesterday that each time he took a sack versus throwing a wild throw that would probably have been a pick my heart grew little (like the Grinch).

This team is built to win by Defense and running game. JW just needs to pass when he HAS to. So far he pretty much has done so. With Thomas and Smith come back (or trade for random WR) the passing game will be better but I don't expect the overall philosophy will change

You don’t see it because you are looking at stats by your response, but then you prove my point with him ‘making wild throws causing picks’ instead of taking the sack and securing the ball.

Go back through my posts you’ll fine more than one when I defended Winstons 30 interceptions with the Bucs because advanced stats showed that most were tipped balls and I am generally of the mind that if a receiver can tip it they can catch it. But those were just numbers without video showing him under duress forcing passes, if Drew had thrown the pass in the below video on Sunday some of the very same people that clicked like on your reply would have said he was forcing it with a ‘take what they give you’ follow up.

If you are built to win by defense and run then you are also built for ball security no? If you aren’t built for an air game then wouldn’t that speak to someone that makes decisions also having concerns about the air game and ball security?

Another wild throw and jump ball and truth be known a lot of people said **ck when they saw this release because they felt what I am saying… like it or not. This is a lack of focus on ball security, your disagreement with it doesn’t change that. Jump balls are desperation throws and generally come at the end of 1/2s or when behind.

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If nothing I’ve said makes sense then maybe hearing it from Winston himself might.. So wild of a throwaway it was a TD by the ‘hand of God’ LOL
https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2021...yton-reaction/

AsylumGuido · 09-28-2021, 08:04 AM

Just sayin' ...

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SmashMouth · 09-28-2021, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just sayin' ...

https://twitter.com/amysrich/status/1442531292013338624

Mahomes has more INTs than Winston?

SaintGnome · 09-28-2021, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You don’t see it because you are looking at stats by your response, but then you prove my point with him ‘making wild throws causing picks’ instead of taking the sack and securing the ball.

Go back through my posts you’ll fine more than one when I defended Winstons 30 interceptions with the Bucs because advanced stats showed that most were tipped balls and I am generally of the mind that if a receiver can tip it they can catch it. But those were just numbers without video showing him under duress forcing passes, if Drew had thrown the pass in the below video on Sunday some of the very same people that clicked like on your reply would have said he was forcing it with a ‘take what they give you’ follow up.

If you are built to win by defense and run then you are also built for ball security no? If you aren’t built for an air game then wouldn’t that speak to someone that makes decisions also having concerns about the air game and ball security?

Another wild throw and jump ball and truth be known a lot of people said **ck when they saw this release because they felt what I am saying… like it or not. This is a lack of focus on ball security, your disagreement with it doesn’t change that. Jump balls are desperation throws and generally come at the end of 1/2s or when behind.
https://youtu.be/jaUkhgHe67c

If nothing I’ve said makes sense then maybe hearing it from Winston himself might.. So wild of a throwaway it was a TD by the ‘hand of God’ LOL
https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2021...yton-reaction/

Clearly you didn't read my post or if you didn't understand it. He only had INT's in one game, and then only when it was already pretty hopeless. Our offense, particularly our OL was out of sync that game. As for the 'hand of god' play it was meant to be a throw away, meaning he threw it high away and was surprised it was caught, it didn't look to me like the DB had any chance to make the INT. I'm not reading stats, I'm watching games. Ironically your statement that our QBs "lack of focus on ball security" only makes sense if you focus on stats versus actually watching the games and realizing the game situations.

09-27-2021, 09:09 AM	#1
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,447	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by SmashMouth Jameis has two INTs so far. That's on pace for 11-12 for the year. That's an improvement, neaux? Not really upset about the two INT’s, they were more like punts. I remember someone commenting on the 1st INT took a possible 3 of the board. With the way our kicker is playing, it would have given the Panthers better field position. SmashMouth, darksoul35, K Major and 1 others like this.

09-27-2021, 08:55 AM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots I'm more than happy with playing strong defense, consistently running the football, and limiting turnovers. It's a great recipe for success especially in the post season. My only concern right now is when we do need to get in a shoot out to win a football game, can we do it? I'm looking forward to having one of those types of game. saintfan and jnormand like this.

09-27-2021, 09:42 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by papz My only concern right now is when we do need to get in a shoot out to win a football game, can we do it? I'm looking forward to having one of those types of game. I don't think we can with our current WRs. We have two QBs who can gun sling it. Problem is they got nobody open to throw it to. K Major likes this.

09-27-2021, 10:00 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Agreed ^^. It's hard enough to succeed at this level of football, but even harder when your QB is throwing to a roster full of undrafted WR's. No one is getting open. One of those is 5'6 special teams ace transitioning to a WR. Play him man/man, then double Kamara who is going to beat you consistently? It's going to take Jameis a while to gain confidence in this group. Getting players back (MT, McCoy) will help. Good to see Stills out there ... only one catch but he moved the chains. He'll have more opportunities going forward.

09-27-2021, 10:10 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Probably an unpopular opinion but I see that both of our QBs still play like they are in college. It's fun and exciting to watch but lacks ball security.

09-27-2021, 10:37 AM	#6
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by TheOak Probably an unpopular opinion but I see that both of our QBs still play like they are in college. It's fun and exciting to watch but lacks ball security. I'm not sure I understand this. There were no turnovers in two of our 3 games by the QB. Late in the game last week, when no one was getting open, Winston wasn't getting a decent pocket, and when there was nothing to lose he threw some wild throws and got picks. I've actually been impressed by the restraint JW has showed. I was talking with a Bucs fan while watching the game yesterday that each time he took a sack versus throwing a wild throw that would probably have been a pick my heart grew little (like the Grinch). This team is built to win by Defense and running game. JW just needs to pass when he HAS to. So far he pretty much has done so. With Thomas and Smith come back (or trade for random WR) the passing game will be better but I don't expect the overall philosophy will change darksoul35, K Major and rezburna like this.

09-28-2021, 08:04 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Just sayin' ... Twitter SmashMouth and rezburna like this.

09-28-2021, 09:01 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just sayin' ... https://twitter.com/amysrich/status/1442531292013338624 Mahomes has more INTs than Winston? neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.

09-28-2021, 08:12 AM	#10
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by TheOak You don’t see it because you are looking at stats by your response, but then you prove my point with him ‘making wild throws causing picks’ instead of taking the sack and securing the ball. Go back through my posts you’ll fine more than one when I defended Winstons 30 interceptions with the Bucs because advanced stats showed that most were tipped balls and I am generally of the mind that if a receiver can tip it they can catch it. But those were just numbers without video showing him under duress forcing passes, if Drew had thrown the pass in the below video on Sunday some of the very same people that clicked like on your reply would have said he was forcing it with a ‘take what they give you’ follow up. If you are built to win by defense and run then you are also built for ball security no? If you aren’t built for an air game then wouldn’t that speak to someone that makes decisions also having concerns about the air game and ball security? Another wild throw and jump ball and truth be known a lot of people said **ck when they saw this release because they felt what I am saying… like it or not. This is a lack of focus on ball security, your disagreement with it doesn’t change that. Jump balls are desperation throws and generally come at the end of 1/2s or when behind. https://youtu.be/jaUkhgHe67c If nothing I’ve said makes sense then maybe hearing it from Winston himself might.. So wild of a throwaway it was a TD by the ‘hand of God’ LOL https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2021...yton-reaction/ Clearly you didn't read my post or if you didn't understand it. He only had INT's in one game, and then only when it was already pretty hopeless. Our offense, particularly our OL was out of sync that game. As for the 'hand of god' play it was meant to be a throw away, meaning he threw it high away and was surprised it was caught, it didn't look to me like the DB had any chance to make the INT. I'm not reading stats, I'm watching games. Ironically your statement that our QBs "lack of focus on ball security" only makes sense if you focus on stats versus actually watching the games and realizing the game situations. K Major likes this.