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Of course I want us to win it all, but Plan B would still be fun to watch in that the organization dug this hole - now lets see them fix it. And you never know what Book might have, or some guy we may draft in the late rounds or sign off the street. Look at Delhomme, Warner, and for that matter even Drew. I mean there are stories like that every year or three. Maybe we find that diamond in the rough.

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If Payton was still here I’d try out Mariota.

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I always liked Fitzpatrick. But he’s coming off an injury, isn’t he ?

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Yeah. And he's about as old as we are, Boston.:bng:

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True enough LOL.

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Now that Payton is "semi retired" & out of those coaching meetings, do you see Dennis/Pete C continue to move forward with Taysom as the "Joker" type in this offense?

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An interesting question K. They have to do something with him. Doubt he gets cut or traded.

I just wonder if they're as high on him as a possible QB as Payton was. If not, can they use him like Payton did in that joker role?

The guy is an athlete. idk. Make him a TE or a RB or something if he's not gonna be a QB. Lol.

I'm sure he'll see the field one way or another. No way they're gonna pay him that coin to sit the bench and be a #2 QB.

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I guess it depends upon who viewed him as what between Payton and Carmichael. Was it Pete or Sean's feeling he could be a starting QB?

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He'll be 40 in November.

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And you'll be what, 65, but with the mentality of an 8 year old...

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I turn him into a TE, not durable enough for a rb. He might surprize at TE.

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Kinda undersized to play the position ... specifically his weight.

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6'2 230 4.56 speed, beef him up 10-15 lbs. and he's nightmare. Able to truck most cb's and S,with his speed lb's have a mismatch all game long. Decent enough hands and willing to block, not much downfall especially with what we have at TE right now.

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We definitely need a TE cause fish boy can't even cut bait... :p

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Yes! Also consider that most of his contract cost is married to what he does at QB via specific incentives. He is not that expensive playing TE or any other position as long as he produces as he has shown those areas to date.

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Oh he could pull a Jimmy Graham and leverage the NFLPA to renegotiate his contract, eh speedo?

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That’s not exactly true. His cap hit every year is around $12 million without the incentives. That gives him the 5th highest cap hit in the league for TE’s this year and 6th highest next year.

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Uh oh...here comes the tweet... :rolleyes:

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His "projected" cap hit is that figure, Chris. He has a $9 million roster bonus this year which will be converted to a signing bonus. Prorating that over the remainder of his contract at $2.25 million per year puts his cap hit this year at $5 million, not $12 million. That includes his $1.1 million base salary and his existing signing bonus proration.

You must always factor in the restructures that Loomis and Harley put into place in the contracts.

He also has a $9.9 million base salary next season that will be converted and prorated as well. Roster bonuses and base salaries can be converted and prorated without any negotiation.

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Yep - right on time. What's your source this time speedo?

NFL Contracts for dummies?

He posted it so fast he had to go back and make multiple edits, which confirms all he's doing is a nice google search followed by some re-wording so he can tell himself how smart he is. :rolleyes:

:banana:

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Something else people are missing is what went through Jameis Winston's head on 22 November 2021..

"***k New Orleans"

Wouldn't you think the same thing? After all, New Orleans gave Winston two single year ****ty deals then gave Taysom Hill a 4 year cow.


If Loomis or Allen called me my reply would be ***k you, ***k your lack of faith and loyalty. I will make my own gumbo in Pittsburgh or maybe Indianapolis.

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Just curious Oak, you earlier asked for reasons why Winston would want to come back here. Rez and I gave you several. Did you have any thoughts on those ?

As for the scenario you describe I don’t see why Winston would be pissed. He wouldn’t have come back for second time if he had hard feelings. He was clearly awarded the starting job and would certainly have been rewarded with a new contract had he not been cheap shotted by the bucks. I guess I must have missed it if he was upset and said “F New Orleans”.

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I was thinking about this the other day. Hill desperately wants to be a QB and after the injury I wonder how willing he is going to be to risk injury playing the joker roll. I think he may come out of this with a higher sense of mortality when it comes to the longevity of his career.


I agree with this 100%. People are all arguing about bringing him back and nobody seems to realize it’s up to him. When Payton finally named him as the starter he kept Winston handcuffed most of the time because he wanted to limit turnovers.
I doubt he would have tried to run through all those defenders if Payton hadn’t had him on such a short leash. Hell he doesn’t even have the support of the fans here. I really don’t see anything about our organization that is more attractive than Pittsburgh.

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He got paid already. Not sure it really matters. We have seen enough of his decision making, haven't we?

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Before Payton left I thought the Saints would likely remain JW preferred destination, but that may no longer be the case, so we'll see what happens.

March 16th ….it gets real around the league.

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The majority of Saints fans want Winston to return. I think he's the best option out there and that includes Garappolo, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Watson and the draft.

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Not that I’m saying I want them to do it, but Winston could get franchise tagged should the team wish I believe.

That may give the team a bit of incentive/leverage in their path forward.

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I'm seeing the same thing on Saints Twitter, iceshack. The vast majority want Winston back.

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Got any scientific evidence of that, or are you just relying on twitter? What the vast majority wants is to win.

Twitter is group think little speedo. Did you take even an 098 on that at LSU-S?

Clearly not. :rolleyes:

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Wouldn't that cost the Saints upwards of 27+M or so?

I believe if there is any "tag" placed on any Saints player in 2022, it'll be Marcus W. I'm willing to bet the consensus / decision makers on Airline Drive don't want him or his agent to hit the free market next month.

We shall see :bng:.

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$28.6 million for 2022 QB tag according to OverTheCap.com.

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Sh1t you not. Yes and I’ve typed two responses lol. First one was at home but forgot to hit send before leaving for the office. Second one I was reading to make sure it made sense then the phone rang, mouse got bumped during the call, browser got closed and all was lost lol.


The short of it is yes I understand the ‘close to home aspect’ which is definitely in our favor. On the playbook familiarity I’ll write more later when I have time. I saw your question on Franchise Tag and they can but the problem is cap space and that tag being a one year all in hit. Loomis would have to restructure his azz off if that’s the best use of the tag.

QB Tag is $28.5MM this year

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No, I would not franchise tag either. But it may set a basis for negotiation. Also, don’t you think signing into the NFC south gives you a very good chance to make the playoffs ?

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Jameis righted a lot of wrongs in short 2021 tenure with Saints

Was it enough for him to come back and lead the team again in 2022?

By Andrew_Bell @andy_b_123 Feb 24, 2022, 8:00am CST

Jameis Winston accomplished a lot during this past season and displayed qualities that show an impressive level of progression and improvement since his Tampa Bay Buccaneers days.

Going 4-2 as a starter before sustaining a season-ending injury in Week 8, Winston showed a lot of the improvements that some people questioned whether or not he was capable of displaying.

A couple seasons after throwing a league-high 30 interceptions, he only threw three in about six and a half games. But more importantly, he only recorded six turnover-worthy plays in that span — compared to 40 in 16 games during the 2019 season, via PFF.

While doing so, he maintained his big play abilities, with 12 big time throws and a 7.1 big time throw percentage, which ranked fourth among 35 qualifying QBs through Week 8.

He also was exploring avenues in efficient ways to utilize his legs outside of the pocket. His previous season high in rush yards was 281, and in just over six games in 2021, he was already at 166 — on 5.2 yards per carry.

He managed this despite a group of playmakers that was severely lacking, to say the least. And most importantly, he was finding ways to win the New Orleans Saints games.

An unrestricted free agent, it is unknown whether or not Winston will return as a Saint next season. And with a huge change in leadership sparked by Sean Payton’s retirement, there’s even more doubt in the air.

But barring a huge upgrade via trade or otherwise, I see no reason why the Saints wouldn’t consider running it back with Jameis. Even if they draft a QB early in the draft, bring him back as a bridge-type QB.

And this is all assuming that Jameis would want to come back to New Orleans next year. But given his happiness with the franchise, the shot at rejuvenation the Saints gave him and how well-received he’s been by teammates, I think I’d bet on him wearing Black and Gold in 2022.

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I hadn't noticed this, but he's right. Winston is always in Saints gear or Saints colors in all of these rehab videos. Sure doesn't sound like someone who doesn't want to play for the Saints, does it?

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He's still on the team mr helper... :rolleyes:

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Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Colts go after Winston.

Wentz ain’t it.

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I think he’s going to be a hotter commodity than most people think.
It wouldn’t blow my mind if he went back to Tampa.

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With Arians still as their HC? That would be shocking to me.