The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006

Boston Saint · 05-25-2022, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel...

As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results...

Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both...

Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later...

As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort...

One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM...

Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose...

That's not consistent winning football...

Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then...

Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on...

Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick...

Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters...

Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production...

The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them...

Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR...

I see. Your “Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs” statement threw me off a little as I feel he’s had great scrutiny. For example he was shredded all over the media for his 30 INT season and people overlooked that he also had 5,000+ yards and 33 TDs that year. By comparison Bret Favre didn’t get near the grief for his 29 INT season in 2005 that had less than 4,000 yards and only 20 TDs. Manning had a worse statistical year than Winston’s early in his career too and he wasn’t knocked as hard as Winston was.

I also think Brees got recognition because the first year he came here he led us to our first NFC championship appearance. And while You are correct that If you take out Winston’s two best games (out of only 6 1/2) he didn’t have great numbers, but he also wasn’t the TO machine he had the label of being. It’s not like any of his replacements did any better.

Plus let’s take a look at Drew’s first year here. If we pull out his two best games (Dallas and Tampa) he had 18 TDs in 14 games. That’s just over 1/game. Very similar to Jameis. Plus he had 11 INTs in those 14 games. That’s worse than Winston’s 2 INT in 4 1/2 games (He threw one against the Redskins game we are throwing out). Just food for thought.

I also think Colston, Horn, and Henderson were better than what Winston had to work with last year.

05-25-2022, 08:47 AM	#14
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by jeanpierre For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel... As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results... Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both... Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later... As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort... One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM... Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose... That's not consistent winning football... Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then... Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on... Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick... Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters... Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production... The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them... Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR... I see. Your “Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs” statement threw me off a little as I feel he’s had great scrutiny. For example he was shredded all over the media for his 30 INT season and people overlooked that he also had 5,000+ yards and 33 TDs that year. By comparison Bret Favre didn’t get near the grief for his 29 INT season in 2005 that had less than 4,000 yards and only 20 TDs. Manning had a worse statistical year than Winston’s early in his career too and he wasn’t knocked as hard as Winston was. I also think Brees got recognition because the first year he came here he led us to our first NFC championship appearance. And while You are correct that If you take out Winston’s two best games (out of only 6 1/2) he didn’t have great numbers, but he also wasn’t the TO machine he had the label of being. It’s not like any of his replacements did any better. Plus let’s take a look at Drew’s first year here. If we pull out his two best games (Dallas and Tampa) he had 18 TDs in 14 games. That’s just over 1/game. Very similar to Jameis. Plus he had 11 INTs in those 14 games. That’s worse than Winston’s 2 INT in 4 1/2 games (He threw one against the Redskins game we are throwing out). Just food for thought. I also think Colston, Horn, and Henderson were better than what Winston had to work with last year. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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