Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans

Thirty3 · 08-14-2022, 09:47 AM

Book is developmental. I'm good with Dalton and Hill.

K Major · 08-14-2022, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Book is developmental. I'm good with Dalton and Hill.

Here is a question I asked last night in the game day chat: Do we keep 3 QBs on the final 53?

IMO Taysom is a far better "emergency" QB than Book will ever be.

Don't be surprised if Coach Allen cuts Ian Book at the close of camp.

SmashMouth · 08-14-2022, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Here is a question I asked last night in the game day chat: Do we keep 3 QBs on the final 53?

IMO Taysom is a far better "emergency" QB than Book will ever be.

Don't be surprised if Coach Allen cuts Ian Book at the close of camp.

So the last chapter has been read on Ian Book? Probably so... Let's give him one more try in the next game.

Isn't next year supposed to be the year at QB in the draft anyways?

K Major · 08-14-2022, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So the last chapter has been read on Ian Book? Probably so... Let's give him one more try in the next game.

Isn't next year supposed to be the year at QB in the draft anyways?

If I'm a coach Smash, these are my concerns in general :

Struggles from outside the pocket, and has issues "climbing" up and away from it. Throws have been inaccurate & take unnecessary sacks. He's also short. But that overthrow to Dixon (I believe) led to a pick (and Texans points) & D'jon is at least 6'4. In real games, turnovers turn into L's.

I just don't see him developing much. Probably a nice dude to hang out with, but he's not going to cut at this level of football.

I'm just a couch coach and have been wrong before

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TheOak · 08-14-2022, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The first string d-line was not dressed out at all. Neither was the rest of the key starters for that matter. The Texans offense did nothing until late in the 4th quarter when it was nothing but scrubs in the game.

None of what you typed has anything to do with a fundamental pass rush.

TheOak · 08-14-2022, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

If I'm a coach Smash, these are my concerns in general :

Struggles from outside the pocket, and has issues "climbing" up and away from it. Throws have been inaccurate & take unnecessary sacks. He's also short. But that overthrow to Dixon (I believe) led to a pick (and Texans points) & D'jon is at least 6'4. In real games, turnovers turn into L's.

I just don't see him developing much. Probably a nice dude to hang out with, but he's not going to cut at this level of football.

I'm just a couch coach and have been wrong before .

Brother. Professional paid coaches and scouts are wrong more often than right about players. Pennington, Carmazzi, Redman, Martin, Bulger, Winn were all picked before Brady.

keithday123 · 08-14-2022, 11:48 AM

I read an article a couple of years ago about how many times teams have actually had to us a number 3 quarterback or emergency quarterback in a game. Now of course this was before Covid. Has anyone ever seen the likelihood of this happening over the years of NFL games. With that in mind you don’t waste a roster spot on a 3rd QB. If it ever were to get to that point in a game you line up taysom back there who is as good as any 3rd qb you could find.

K Major · 08-14-2022, 12:22 PM

Zach Baun needs to ice up and get it together.

Did not play last night

If Abram can show more on special teams, he has a shot. He did some good things & seems to be a strong runner. I understand that "punch out" was perfect but you simply cannot fumble. Two hands & secure it.

Side note: I'd like to see what Costello can do under center on next week.

rezburna · 08-14-2022, 12:42 PM

If you’re going to be a smaller QB like Ian Book you need to be a Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, or Kyler Murray. He ain’t that. Cut ties.

AsylumGuido · 08-14-2022, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

None of what you typed has anything to do with a fundamental pass rush.

Have you watched the game yet? You commented about no pass rush while admitting you hadn't even seen the game. If the 4th string players were fundamentally sound they wouldn't be 4th stringers now, would they. However, the entire defense performed quite well, especially early on when actual roster players were in the game. There was adequate pass rush. There's more to a pass rush than sacks, right? It's hard to rack up sacks when you are getting three and outs. I know they didn't actually go "three and out", but the Texans were really unable to do much of anything on offense until the final two minutes of the game.

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08-14-2022, 10:06 AM	#22
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans Originally Posted by Thirty3 Book is developmental. I'm good with Dalton and Hill. Here is a question I asked last night in the game day chat: Do we keep 3 QBs on the final 53? IMO Taysom is a far better "emergency" QB than Book will ever be. Don't be surprised if Coach Allen cuts Ian Book at the close of camp. Crusader, leilung, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

08-14-2022, 10:13 AM	#23
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans Originally Posted by K Major Here is a question I asked last night in the game day chat: Do we keep 3 QBs on the final 53? IMO Taysom is a far better "emergency" QB than Book will ever be. Don't be surprised if Coach Allen cuts Ian Book at the close of camp. So the last chapter has been read on Ian Book? Probably so... Let's give him one more try in the next game. Isn't next year supposed to be the year at QB in the draft anyways? K Major likes this.

08-14-2022, 10:26 AM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans Originally Posted by SmashMouth So the last chapter has been read on Ian Book? Probably so... Let's give him one more try in the next game. Isn't next year supposed to be the year at QB in the draft anyways? If I'm a coach Smash, these are my concerns in general : Struggles from outside the pocket, and has issues "climbing" up and away from it. Throws have been inaccurate & take unnecessary sacks. He's also short. But that overthrow to Dixon (I believe) led to a pick (and Texans points) & D'jon is at least 6'4. In real games, turnovers turn into L's. I just don't see him developing much. Probably a nice dude to hang out with, but he's not going to cut at this level of football. I'm just a couch coach and have been wrong before . SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.
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08-14-2022, 11:32 AM	#25
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The first string d-line was not dressed out at all. Neither was the rest of the key starters for that matter. The Texans offense did nothing until late in the 4th quarter when it was nothing but scrubs in the game. None of what you typed has anything to do with a fundamental pass rush. K Major likes this.

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08-14-2022, 11:43 AM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans Originally Posted by K Major If I'm a coach Smash, these are my concerns in general : Struggles from outside the pocket, and has issues "climbing" up and away from it. Throws have been inaccurate & take unnecessary sacks. He's also short. But that overthrow to Dixon (I believe) led to a pick (and Texans points) & D'jon is at least 6'4. In real games, turnovers turn into L's. I just don't see him developing much. Probably a nice dude to hang out with, but he's not going to cut at this level of football. I'm just a couch coach and have been wrong before . Brother. Professional paid coaches and scouts are wrong more often than right about players. Pennington, Carmazzi, Redman, Martin, Bulger, Winn were all picked before Brady.

08-14-2022, 11:48 AM	#27
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 183	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans I read an article a couple of years ago about how many times teams have actually had to us a number 3 quarterback or emergency quarterback in a game. Now of course this was before Covid. Has anyone ever seen the likelihood of this happening over the years of NFL games. With that in mind you don’t waste a roster spot on a 3rd QB. If it ever were to get to that point in a game you line up taysom back there who is as good as any 3rd qb you could find. K Major likes this.
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08-14-2022, 12:22 PM	#28
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans Zach Baun needs to ice up and get it together. Did not play last night If Abram can show more on special teams, he has a shot. He did some good things & seems to be a strong runner. I understand that "punch out" was perfect but you simply cannot fumble. Two hands & secure it. Side note: I'd like to see what Costello can do under center on next week. Crusader and SmashMouth like this.

08-14-2022, 12:42 PM	#29
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans If you’re going to be a smaller QB like Ian Book you need to be a Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, or Kyler Murray. He ain’t that. Cut ties. leilung and K Major like this.

08-14-2022, 12:49 PM	#30
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,207	Re: Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans Originally Posted by TheOak None of what you typed has anything to do with a fundamental pass rush. Have you watched the game yet? You commented about no pass rush while admitting you hadn't even seen the game. If the 4th string players were fundamentally sound they wouldn't be 4th stringers now, would they. However, the entire defense performed quite well, especially early on when actual roster players were in the game. There was adequate pass rush. There's more to a pass rush than sacks, right? It's hard to rack up sacks when you are getting three and outs. I know they didn't actually go "three and out", but the Texans were really unable to do much of anything on offense until the final two minutes of the game.
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