Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers

papz · 09-28-2022, 08:25 AM

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks.

AsylumGuido · 09-28-2022, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks.

That's exactly what people were saying ten years ago. Teams across the league are going to the same cap management strategy as the Saints. You borrow from Peter when the amount leveraged is a smaller percentage of the total cap to pay Paul and remain competitive. As long as the cap numbers keep skyrocketing it will remain a very sound strategy. And given the record revenues annually in the NFL there's little reason to believe the growth won't continue beyond the term of the newest CBA and broadcast contracts.

iceshack149 · 09-28-2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks.

I'm not sure if the ton of bricks has hit us yet but I've been seeing a few precursory rocks dropping here and there.

Boston Saint · 09-28-2022, 10:22 AM

Seems to me two different issues are being conflated; the hazards of burrowing against picks in future drafts and the hazards of burrowing against the future salary cap. When debating about being able to get back into the first round next year the rise of future salary caps really isn’t part of the discussion.

AsylumGuido · 09-28-2022, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Seems to me two different issues are being conflated; the hazards of burrowing against picks in future drafts and the hazards of burrowing against the future salary cap. When debating about being able to get back into the first round next year the rise of future salary caps really isn’t part of the discussion.

It actually does come into play to a small degree. As the cap rises each year so does the slotted rate associated with that pick. The salary associated with the #5 overall pick will be incrementally higher in 2023 than it was in 2022. Not that big of a deal, but there is a degree of correlation.

Boston Saint · 09-28-2022, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It actually does come into play to a small degree. As the cap rises each year so does the slotted rate associated with that pick. The salary associated with the #5 overall pick will be incrementally higher in 2023 than it was in 2022. Not that big of a deal, but there is a degree of correlation.

To an infinitesimal degree perhaps. Nothing that would influence a trade. The only real impact would be if a player was involved in the trade to move back into the first next year.

09-28-2022, 08:25 AM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Robbing Peter to pay Paul. When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks.

09-28-2022, 08:35 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by papz Robbing Peter to pay Paul. When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks. That's exactly what people were saying ten years ago. Teams across the league are going to the same cap management strategy as the Saints. You borrow from Peter when the amount leveraged is a smaller percentage of the total cap to pay Paul and remain competitive. As long as the cap numbers keep skyrocketing it will remain a very sound strategy. And given the record revenues annually in the NFL there's little reason to believe the growth won't continue beyond the term of the newest CBA and broadcast contracts.

09-28-2022, 09:57 AM	#3
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,407 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by papz Robbing Peter to pay Paul. When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks. I'm not sure if the ton of bricks has hit us yet but I've been seeing a few precursory rocks dropping here and there.

09-28-2022, 10:22 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Seems to me two different issues are being conflated; the hazards of burrowing against picks in future drafts and the hazards of burrowing against the future salary cap. When debating about being able to get back into the first round next year the rise of future salary caps really isn’t part of the discussion.

09-28-2022, 11:28 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It actually does come into play to a small degree. As the cap rises each year so does the slotted rate associated with that pick. The salary associated with the #5 overall pick will be incrementally higher in 2023 than it was in 2022. Not that big of a deal, but there is a degree of correlation. To an infinitesimal degree perhaps. Nothing that would influence a trade. The only real impact would be if a player was involved in the trade to move back into the first next year. AsylumGuido likes this.

09-28-2022, 11:17 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Seems to me two different issues are being conflated; the hazards of burrowing against picks in future drafts and the hazards of burrowing against the future salary cap. When debating about being able to get back into the first round next year the rise of future salary caps really isn’t part of the discussion. It actually does come into play to a small degree. As the cap rises each year so does the slotted rate associated with that pick. The salary associated with the #5 overall pick will be incrementally higher in 2023 than it was in 2022. Not that big of a deal, but there is a degree of correlation.