Head Coach Material

AsylumGuido · 11-13-2022, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Like I said injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Cardinals injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Bengals I juries weren't why we lost to the Bucs or Panthers We beat Seattle with injuries they lost their starting rb for the season that game Cardinals had plenty of injuries facing us. You all are making excuses Chargers have plenty injuries they have a decent record. Jets had injuries. Injuries are apart of the game. Ravens beat us with injuries to key players, WR, TE RB1 n RB2 Safety. Steelers have injuries look like they know how to overcome. With or without injuires Ssints have been in majority of these games injuries are excuses just like some guys say you can't blame the refs.

I said injuries are A reason that has led to losses. Not the reason. You make our point by saying that the Saints "have been in majority of these games" even with the injuries. Had we not been missing the vast number of key starters we would have likely won most, if not all, of those games. THAT is not an excuse. It is reality. A very tangible reason.

K Major · 11-13-2022, 08:02 PM

Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason.

No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L.

Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc.

Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games.

Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach.

Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season.

Rell&Gold · 11-13-2022, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I said injuries are A reason that has led to losses. Not the reason. You make our point by saying that the Saints "have been in majority of these games" even with the injuries. Had we not been missing the vast number of key starters we would have likely won most, if not all, of those games. THAT is not an excuse. It is reality. A very tangible reason.

Irrational logic seeing as though we lost with the same players. Those losses had ZERO today with injuries. We lost because we were out coached. You can believe what you will. Saints decisions in game are the reason we lost. Next man up best 53 on the roster. Saints aren't the only team with injuries explain that? Show me a loss the Saints received due to injuries give me ONE game where injuries were so overbearing we were unable to compete and be competitive

Rell&Gold · 11-13-2022, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason.

No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L.

Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc.

Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games.

Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach.

Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season.

Thank you K Major. We have an off-season to prepare for these things. DA overvalued this roster and it showing depth should have been a priority instead it was getting a big play WR in a draft because we were so set at every position that's all we needed. DA is not the guy to lead the Saints to another SB.

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2022, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Irrational logic seeing as though we lost with the same players. Those losses had ZERO today with injuries. We lost because we were out coached. You can believe what you will. Saints decisions in game are the reason we lost. Next man up best 53 on the roster. Saints aren't the only team with injuries explain that? Show me a loss the Saints received due to injuries give me ONE game where injuries were so overbearing we were unable to compete and be competitive

So, you are saying we would have still performed the same versus the Steelers if we had Penning at LT, Peat at LG, McCoy at center, Ingram at RB2, Thomas at WR, Winston at QB (benched due to injury), Lattimore at CB, Maye at S, Davenport at DE, and Werner at LB?

And, yes, the Saints HAVE been able to compete with all of these and other injuries. Just think how much better they could have competed without the absence of all of those key starters. It is not the ONLY reason why those games were lost, but one would have to be blind not to see that it has been a major factor (ie. a reason) for those losses. By the way, coaching decisions and playcalling are also reasons.

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2022, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason.

No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L.

Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc.

Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games.

Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach.

Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season.

All of those things, along with the rash of injuries, are reason for the losses. That does not, however, negate the impact that key injuries have had on the team's lack of success.

K Major · 11-14-2022, 09:14 AM

Sean Payton's team was absolutely decimated last year. We started 4 different QBs and didn't have Lutz.

Our top WR was M Calloway. Yet we finished 9-8.

Dennis Allen's coaching (or lack thereof) thus far is inexcusable.

Stop it.

saintsfan1976 · 11-14-2022, 11:18 AM

Is it all Dennis Allen's fault? No.

But the game planning, sloppy execution, penalties, managing the roster.... it seems like he's drowning in every aspect of this new role as the team steadily declines further into chaos.

Boston Saint · 11-14-2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario?

It has to do with recognizing that injuries play a part in what a team’s capabilities and expectations are. Just as having one key player (like your starting QB) out is a big deal, having three key players out on the Oline is as well. In the Saints case they have both.

WW_Who_Dat · 11-14-2022, 12:08 PM

Just an inexcusable job of coaching … the Oline had not been run blocking all game nada nothing run wise. But at a critical point on a 3rd and 1 we try and run it … ? We don’t make it so we go for it on 4th … a QB sneak with a backup center and left guard 🤬😳🤯 … Defense is just offensive … can’t tackle and l mean they often look afraid to even make the contact standing around watching players diving at runner legs with no attempt to wrap them up. Penalty extending drives … I have to quit ruining my lunch.

11-13-2022, 05:53 PM	#51
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Like I said injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Cardinals injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Bengals I juries weren't why we lost to the Bucs or Panthers We beat Seattle with injuries they lost their starting rb for the season that game Cardinals had plenty of injuries facing us. You all are making excuses Chargers have plenty injuries they have a decent record. Jets had injuries. Injuries are apart of the game. Ravens beat us with injuries to key players, WR, TE RB1 n RB2 Safety. Steelers have injuries look like they know how to overcome. With or without injuires Ssints have been in majority of these games injuries are excuses just like some guys say you can't blame the refs. I said injuries are A reason that has led to losses. Not the reason. You make our point by saying that the Saints "have been in majority of these games" even with the injuries. Had we not been missing the vast number of key starters we would have likely won most, if not all, of those games. THAT is not an excuse. It is reality. A very tangible reason.

11-13-2022, 08:02 PM	#52
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Material Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason. No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L. Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc. Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games. Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach. Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season. Rugby Saint II, Rueben Mayes and Rell&Gold like this.
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11-13-2022, 08:14 PM	#53
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I said injuries are A reason that has led to losses. Not the reason. You make our point by saying that the Saints "have been in majority of these games" even with the injuries. Had we not been missing the vast number of key starters we would have likely won most, if not all, of those games. THAT is not an excuse. It is reality. A very tangible reason. Irrational logic seeing as though we lost with the same players. Those losses had ZERO today with injuries. We lost because we were out coached. You can believe what you will. Saints decisions in game are the reason we lost. Next man up best 53 on the roster. Saints aren't the only team with injuries explain that? Show me a loss the Saints received due to injuries give me ONE game where injuries were so overbearing we were unable to compete and be competitive

11-13-2022, 08:17 PM	#54
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by K Major Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason. No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L. Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc. Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games. Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach. Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season. Thank you K Major. We have an off-season to prepare for these things. DA overvalued this roster and it showing depth should have been a priority instead it was getting a big play WR in a draft because we were so set at every position that's all we needed. DA is not the guy to lead the Saints to another SB. K Major likes this.

11-14-2022, 09:03 AM	#55
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Irrational logic seeing as though we lost with the same players. Those losses had ZERO today with injuries. We lost because we were out coached. You can believe what you will. Saints decisions in game are the reason we lost. Next man up best 53 on the roster. Saints aren't the only team with injuries explain that? Show me a loss the Saints received due to injuries give me ONE game where injuries were so overbearing we were unable to compete and be competitive So, you are saying we would have still performed the same versus the Steelers if we had Penning at LT, Peat at LG, McCoy at center, Ingram at RB2, Thomas at WR, Winston at QB (benched due to injury), Lattimore at CB, Maye at S, Davenport at DE, and Werner at LB? And, yes, the Saints HAVE been able to compete with all of these and other injuries. Just think how much better they could have competed without the absence of all of those key starters. It is not the ONLY reason why those games were lost, but one would have to be blind not to see that it has been a major factor (ie. a reason) for those losses. By the way, coaching decisions and playcalling are also reasons.
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11-14-2022, 09:13 AM	#56
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by K Major Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason. No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L. Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc. Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games. Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach. Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season. All of those things, along with the rash of injuries, are reason for the losses. That does not, however, negate the impact that key injuries have had on the team's lack of success.

11-14-2022, 09:14 AM	#57
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Material Sean Payton's team was absolutely decimated last year. We started 4 different QBs and didn't have Lutz. Our top WR was M Calloway. Yet we finished 9-8. Dennis Allen's coaching (or lack thereof) thus far is inexcusable. Stop it. jnormand, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 3 others like this.

11-14-2022, 11:18 AM	#58
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Material Is it all Dennis Allen's fault? No. But the game planning, sloppy execution, penalties, managing the roster.... it seems like he's drowning in every aspect of this new role as the team steadily declines further into chaos. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-14-2022, 11:54 AM	#59
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario? It has to do with recognizing that injuries play a part in what a team’s capabilities and expectations are. Just as having one key player (like your starting QB) out is a big deal, having three key players out on the Oline is as well. In the Saints case they have both.

11-14-2022, 12:08 PM	#60
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Head Coach Material Just an inexcusable job of coaching … the Oline had not been run blocking all game nada nothing run wise. But at a critical point on a 3rd and 1 we try and run it … ? We don’t make it so we go for it on 4th … a QB sneak with a backup center and left guard 🤬😳🤯 … Defense is just offensive … can’t tackle and l mean they often look afraid to even make the contact standing around watching players diving at runner legs with no attempt to wrap them up. Penalty extending drives … I have to quit ruining my lunch. K Major likes this.