Rell&Gold

They make work what they want to make work Money Moving Loomis right? They didn't believe in the value if they did they would.

BakoSaint

Systematically the injuries and the inability to overcome them are Loomis' fault. He built an old team. He traded away a large number of various early and middle round draft picks for a few very high draft picks meaning fewer young players on the roster. We could afford CGJ, he was under contract on a cheap rookie deal, but we failed to call him bluff when he did a hold in. There is no real difference between showing up and refusing to talk to the coaches or just holding out at home and plenty of players have held out at home and the team calls their bluff and they come back and play. Then if he left in free agency next year we get a 3rd round comp pick or we tag him and force a team to trade a 2nd for him if he is getting better offers. In part CGJ is gone because we gave the big money to the Molasses Badger. That was Loomis making us older and more injury prone. And what about giving Taysom Hill in his 30's $10 million a year to be our wildcat backup running back despite a long injury history including injuries every year in college. And then also nobody put a gun to Loomis' head and said you have to sign the oldest active running back to ever be a Saint back to our team, rather than investing say a 4th round pick in a young guy.

One important factor is that the way Loomis manages the salary cap causes us to have more injury prone players. When other teams see a player getting hurt too much like OBJ, Victor Cruz, etc they cut or trade them. But Loomis manages our cap at 150% capacity and backloads all his contracts at 300% capacity and depends on annual restructuring of every big contract to make up the annual $70 million cap deficit. So when we have an OBJ or Victor Cruz or RG3 we don't cut or trade them, we hand the doctor a note with their lines "he is expected to make a complete recovery despite the latest setback" and we sign the injured player to an extension so we can prorate their salary to 2030.

Also sometimes when other teams have an injury to a star its a positive. Remember Drew Bledsoe and Tom Brady. Tom Brady was a mid round pick, that thing Loomis loves to throw away like he is Pacman Jones in a vegas strip club and the picks are small bills. But other teams are loaded with second and third stringers who were mid round picks, so sometimes when a star is injured, they find the backup is better. Our backups are undrafted free agents and has beens, so we find that out a lot less.

We are old and brittle and scarred and its a roster management issue. It's Loomis' fault more than Allen's. Payton could have done better without Loomis too. If Loomis had made sure the doctors did due diligence before signing Nick Fairly, we might have two Superbowls in 2017 and 2018, we were quite possibly one player away. During the 7-9 years a lot of high injury risk players like Browner and Breaux contributed to the losses, we basically had two cripples at corner. But for Dennis Allen he was .222 with the Raiders so that kind of kills the benefit of the doubt for me. I think our 2022 roster is actually better than 2021 because at least we have one good receiver which I think is a lot better than none, and we have passable QBs, even if neither is more than passable. Payton won 9 games relying on the likes of Semien to White in the passing game after Winston went down. Allen at least has the receivers to get the offense to move. But Allen is not a leader, he is a guy who was wounded by the trauma of attempting to be a leader, who was given his job by a guy who assembles wounded and fragile people together on a team for a living and then restructures their contracts a lot to get called a cap wizard.

turbo_dog

I'm willing to give DA another year. After all, with the limited draft picks coming up, a new coach wouldn't have much to rebuild a team. I do think we have to find a different QB.

AsylumGuido

We are only one pick short of the usual seven.

2023
Round 2
Round 3
Round 4
Round 5
Round 5 (via Philadelphia)
Round 7

BakoSaint

We are also short in the 2024 draft and we have a wizard who is likely to make many of our picks disappear to make one pick a little earlier for some non-qb gamble.

mapcow

Michael Thomas!!!! LMAO

Boston Saint

Kinda outta nowhere in a thread about head coaches, but good to know he lives in your head rent free.

saintsfan1976

Although not a guarantee... it is likely a Sean Payton trade happens in the offseason, netting us at least one first round pick.

AsylumGuido

I don't know. I'm with Oak on this. Why would Payton want to go anywhere that has traded at least their 2023 #1 pick away, and probably more? It wouldn't be the money. He's already getting $10 million a year with the TV gig. He could wait it out go anywhere.

Boston Saint

I so hope you are right. I just have the sinking feeling it’s not gonna happen.