Head Coach Material

Boston Saint · 11-13-2022, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Respect but no those are excuses. We haven't lost any of those games because of injuries. We've been in every game except the Ravens and maybe Carolina with or without certain players. There were still opportunities to be had after those plays in both of those games big plays and momentum changers no doubt there was still football to be played. Everyone is injured that's why you have and "Off-season" to prepare your counter measures. Co defensive coordinator but the head coach is calling the defensive plays? Coaches decision. Trading Chauncey for a fourth round pick coaches decision. Not resigning marcus Williams partial coaches decision or influence at the least. Trading away picks for a WR leaving unable to fill other obvious and immediate holes. I.E DT OL RB2 there were opportunities to add way more to this roster and they lost more than they gained. Offensive playcalling AND PERSONNEL?. This team is 3-6 because of coaching. Even with ALL the injuries the Saints have had they have been in every game excluding the Ravens and Panthers. That's not injuries we lost with Michael Thomas we lost with Jarvis we lost Jameis, as you stated you weren't shocked by some of the injuries with we lost father games because we couldn't close out . If this was coach that was brand new to the organization I would give him the benefit of the doubt you're giving him if this was a first time head coach situation. DA is an experienced coach who was handed some nice car keys and he just drove the car never gets it maintenance just gas and oil change maybe a tire here and there.

So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality.

Rell&Gold · 11-13-2022, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality.

What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario?

Boston Saint · 11-14-2022, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario?

It has to do with recognizing that injuries play a part in what a team’s capabilities and expectations are. Just as having one key player (like your starting QB) out is a big deal, having three key players out on the Oline is as well. In the Saints case they have both.

Rell&Gold · 11-13-2022, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality.

That's not even the Saints situation make it make sense ........it's convenient to blame the losses on injuries once we've lost the game.

cars4dylan · 11-14-2022, 11:51 AM

Discipline is a head coach's realm and this team is playing undisciplined, plain and simple.

I don't think you can fault the coach for the health of players but you can sure fault the coach for lack of discipline.

I like having a coach that is cool under pressure.
I don't like a coach that is seemingly feckless, for lack of a better term.
I want to see a coach pissed off that a 15 year O-Coordinator is running plays without the best weapons on the field on critical downs.

I want to see a little fire in the belly, a little "piss & vinegar" after a 3-7 run into a season of mediocrity and of subpar performance by your team.

I just don't feel DA has that and hasn't shown the ability to have that trait either.

All this wanting him gone though doesn't help either as we're several pages deep and I've not seen one coach out there listed who is more deserving of the job. Problem is next year there is no magical wand fix for the QB. It won't be in the draft unless other teams miss on a QB and a diamond in the rough is found in the 2nd or later round. Or if a team pays us a 1st Rd pick for Payton's rights, but that's not likely to happen either.

As with most forum topics it's interesting mental masturbation but in the end we'll wait and see. Call our shots after the fact and gloat or sulk accordingly.

All that stated, if someone posts Urban Meyer would be a good coach you deserve to have posting rights revoked for eternity.

11-13-2022, 09:56 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Respect but no those are excuses. We haven't lost any of those games because of injuries. We've been in every game except the Ravens and maybe Carolina with or without certain players. There were still opportunities to be had after those plays in both of those games big plays and momentum changers no doubt there was still football to be played. Everyone is injured that's why you have and "Off-season" to prepare your counter measures. Co defensive coordinator but the head coach is calling the defensive plays? Coaches decision. Trading Chauncey for a fourth round pick coaches decision. Not resigning marcus Williams partial coaches decision or influence at the least. Trading away picks for a WR leaving unable to fill other obvious and immediate holes. I.E DT OL RB2 there were opportunities to add way more to this roster and they lost more than they gained. Offensive playcalling AND PERSONNEL?. This team is 3-6 because of coaching. Even with ALL the injuries the Saints have had they have been in every game excluding the Ravens and Panthers. That's not injuries we lost with Michael Thomas we lost with Jarvis we lost Jameis, as you stated you weren't shocked by some of the injuries with we lost father games because we couldn't close out . If this was coach that was brand new to the organization I would give him the benefit of the doubt you're giving him if this was a first time head coach situation. DA is an experienced coach who was handed some nice car keys and he just drove the car never gets it maintenance just gas and oil change maybe a tire here and there. So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality. leilung and AsylumGuido like this.

11-13-2022, 02:58 PM	#2
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Boston Saint So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality. What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario?

11-14-2022, 10:54 AM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario? It has to do with recognizing that injuries play a part in what a team’s capabilities and expectations are. Just as having one key player (like your starting QB) out is a big deal, having three key players out on the Oline is as well. In the Saints case they have both.

11-13-2022, 03:03 PM	#4
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Boston Saint So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality. That's not even the Saints situation make it make sense ........it's convenient to blame the losses on injuries once we've lost the game. K Major likes this.

11-14-2022, 11:51 AM	#5
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Head Coach Material Discipline is a head coach's realm and this team is playing undisciplined, plain and simple. I don't think you can fault the coach for the health of players but you can sure fault the coach for lack of discipline. I like having a coach that is cool under pressure. I don't like a coach that is seemingly feckless, for lack of a better term. I want to see a coach pissed off that a 15 year O-Coordinator is running plays without the best weapons on the field on critical downs. I want to see a little fire in the belly, a little "piss & vinegar" after a 3-7 run into a season of mediocrity and of subpar performance by your team. I just don't feel DA has that and hasn't shown the ability to have that trait either. All this wanting him gone though doesn't help either as we're several pages deep and I've not seen one coach out there listed who is more deserving of the job. Problem is next year there is no magical wand fix for the QB. It won't be in the draft unless other teams miss on a QB and a diamond in the rough is found in the 2nd or later round. Or if a team pays us a 1st Rd pick for Payton's rights, but that's not likely to happen either. As with most forum topics it's interesting mental masturbation but in the end we'll wait and see. Call our shots after the fact and gloat or sulk accordingly. All that stated, if someone posts Urban Meyer would be a good coach you deserve to have posting rights revoked for eternity. neugey, leilung, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106