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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by halloween 65 If she lost in her buisnesses like the Saints are, she might react differently, bet she would be firing somebody then. She's still making money off of it. Every game is still a sell out. ...

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Old 11-15-2022, 06:24 PM   #81
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If she lost in her buisnesses like the Saints are, she might react differently, bet she would be firing somebody then.
She's still making money off of it. Every game is still a sell out. If it went on long enough (two or three years) where it affected her actual bottom line, then yes, she'd likely make a move. Then again, it all comes down to money. Even if Saints season ticket holders stop coming they sell their tickets to visiting team fans coming to NOLA as a destination. It will be a while, if ever, that money becomes an issue.
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Old 11-15-2022, 07:12 PM   #82
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She's still making money off of it. Every game is still a sell out. If it went on long enough (two or three years) where it affected her actual bottom line, then yes, she'd likely make a move. Then again, it all comes down to money. Even if Saints season ticket holders stop coming they sell their tickets to visiting team fans coming to NOLA as a destination. It will be a while, if ever, that money becomes an issue.
And if the bags come out her prolonging things want look good on her decision making at all. Wealthy people are funny people, image means everything to them.
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Old 11-15-2022, 09:05 PM   #83
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And exactly who is going to do that? The dynamics at the top of the Saints is different than most other organizations. Gayle looks upon Mickey as a son. That has been shared literally on many occasions. Just as with Payton, Loomis is going to stay as long as he wishes as long as Gayle is living and that's likely to be for many more years. As badly as some fans wish to jerk the knee and clear house it's simply not the way the Saints organization from the top down operates. Best approach or not. Just saying.
If Gayle looks at Loomis as a son I guess I look at her as a b**** because I look at Mickey Loomis as the son of a b**** who traded away our best young defensive leader and our top 5 1st round pick and got us to 3-7 with the most future cap dollars flushed down the toilet of any team in the league. If Gayle is going to keep Mickey it is what it is but the inevitable result will be an 0-17 season. If she keeps him after 0-17 I hope he likes spit in his food when he is out and about the town. I also hopes he doesn't trade away our 1st round pick in advance of that 0-17 if he stays. He probably will, Arch Manning to the Falcons with 1st round pick acquired from the Saints. I am sure Loomis will say it is no big deal since we wouldn't have the cap room to sign a 1st round pick by that time anyway due to a $50 million cap hit for Andrus Peat who so nicely agreed to restructure his contract to push back his salary due for 10 years in a row.
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Old 11-16-2022, 07:51 AM   #84
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If Gayle looks at Loomis as a son I guess I look at her as a b**** because I look at Mickey Loomis as the son of a b**** who traded away our best young defensive leader and our top 5 1st round pick and got us to 3-7 with the most future cap dollars flushed down the toilet of any team in the league. If Gayle is going to keep Mickey it is what it is but the inevitable result will be an 0-17 season. If she keeps him after 0-17 I hope he likes spit in his food when he is out and about the town. I also hopes he doesn't trade away our 1st round pick in advance of that 0-17 if he stays. He probably will, Arch Manning to the Falcons with 1st round pick acquired from the Saints. I am sure Loomis will say it is no big deal since we wouldn't have the cap room to sign a 1st round pick by that time anyway due to a $50 million cap hit for Andrus Peat who so nicely agreed to restructure his contract to push back his salary due for 10 years in a row.
Wow! You appear to be very disturbed.
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Old 11-16-2022, 07:58 AM   #85
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And if the bags come out her prolonging things want look good on her decision making at all. Wealthy people are funny people, image means everything to them.
Let me get this straight. We're ten games into a 17 game season with a plethora of key players decimated by injuries and you think morons are going to start filling the stands with paper bags. Is that about the gist of it? LOL! Most wealthy people I know couldn't give a rat's ass about what some morons think about them. No matter what they do or don't do there's always going to be some subset that are pissed off. It comes with the territory.
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Old 11-16-2022, 08:33 AM   #86
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Sounds to me like there are some spoiled, ungrateful, sorry-ass “fans” out there that obviously haven’t followed the team long enough to remember the long years of season after season of pathetic football. Going through a little rough patch is certainly exposing the fair weather nature of some people who call themselves fans. I know Jets fans with more class and support for their team even after all their losing.
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Sounds to me like there are some spoiled, ungrateful, sorry-ass “fans” out there that obviously haven’t followed the team long enough to remember the long years of season after season of pathetic football. Going through a little rough patch is certainly exposing the fair weather nature of some people who call themselves fans. I know Jets fans with more class and support for their team even after all their losing.
Amen!
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Old 11-16-2022, 09:52 AM   #88
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Nice find, Oak. This research shows no correlation at all between age and time missed due to injury.

I think this study does not reach medical standards and has a serious flaw because it does not randomly sample players at different ages. Instead it only counts players that teams felt comfortable enough to sign who made active rosters. Clearly if you randomly called players from the 2020 draft and players from the 2010 draft and determined if they were healthy enough to play, players from the 2020 draft would have less chronic injury issues and be healthier, while many from the 2010 draft would be retired by choice or by default as their injuiries piled up and teams lost intered. Anyone who has been 25, 30, 35, and 40 knows you slow down and heal slower and have more aches and pains the older you get. Its common sense. But NFL teams don't have to retain every draftee until 40, they can selectively filter the populations and give a second chance to an injured 25 year old due to upside while cutting loose a 35 year old at the first sign of breakdown. So, in general, perhaps 25 and 35 year olds on active NFL rosters don't get injured different amounts, but that is only because NFL teams are not just keep any injured player until age 35, they are scrutinizing past injust history and doing detailed physicals much more carefully for the 35 year old. And then you get some draftees who can't stay healthy straight out of college, the Analzones and Bests of the league, that bring up the injury average for all young players, and those players typically are out of the league by 30 or 35 if not earlier. So thats how injury rates stay constant when obviously a given person is more easily injured at an older age, teams keep weeding it down to the most durable players with age.

Where this breaks down for a team like the Saints is our salary cap situation, need to restructure to balance the cap, and tendency to trade away half our draft picks. We are in a situation of 'beggars can't be choosers.' We know Andrus Peat is brittle. Most teams would cut him. But the way we manage the cap we can't afford the cap hit to cut him. And we can't afford good free agents and don't have many draft picks so we restock our roster by bringing back guys like Mark Ingram. Many teams draft a mobile backup QB in the middle rounds who was young and uninjured, we were short of middle round picks so we picked up Taysom Hill who is older and fairly injury prone, likely reasons he was not drafted and Green Bay decided to let him go. Heck we were the last resort for Kevin White. Does that guy have any injury history? I seem to remember something. What about Teddy Bridgewater, Delvin Breaux? We will take any risk, while when other teams sign an older players its often because its Tom Brady and he had 1 injury in 20 years. When desperation enters into roster management and results in an older team, you do get more injuries, because you are not getting the players who stayed in the league at an older age because their durability justified it, you get the players who stayed in the league at an older age because they got a phone call they never expected and then when the next injury happened and they expected to be cut, they were instead restructured and given an extension.

Update: Case and point today, we just added RB David Johnson, who is completely washed and injury riddled. A move like this is only made out of desperation, and regardless of whether all RB his age are more likely to be injured, clearly he is given the history.

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Old 11-17-2022, 04:04 PM   #89
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