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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Boston Saint Well, I think when evaluating Allen’s performance this year some are glossing over the impact that Injuries and Refs had and are dumping a little too much on his shoulders…especially anything to do with the ...

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Old 12-08-2022, 11:32 AM   #1
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Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

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Well, I think when evaluating Allen’s performance this year some are glossing over the impact that Injuries and Refs had and are dumping a little too much on his shoulders…especially anything to do with the Raiders.

Some people may be unaware of the sorry state of the Raider franchise and their MO from about 94 on. A really good coach like Gruden who had a good QB in Gannon was able to have short term success. But they ran him out of town because of Al Davis’ ego.

I was living 12 miles from Oakland during the Allen tenure (as well as years before and after) so I heard their news daily and watched their games each week (when not blacked out) and tell you he was not the reason the team struggled. Here were the Raider win totals going backwards from his first 4-12 season:
8
8
5
5
4
2
4
5
4

It was a dysfunctional franchise. Crazy Al Davis was running things his way and that included player/coaching decisions. They had drafted Jamarcus Russell. They had no quality QB in years before he took over. Allen drafted Carr, the only decent player at the position since Rich Gannon. One year after drafting Carr he’s fired and Oakland has a 12 win season the year after that with the QB Allen wanted leading the team. But guess what…they were back to a 6 win season the next year and a 4 win season again the year after that. Point is hardly anyone was going to have success at Oakland during that time.

A lot of users here seem to remember Payton having last year’s Saints team playing much more competitively than this year’s team. They weren’t. In games not started by Winston last year the Saints were 4-6. They got blown out 40 to 29 by Philadelphia and 31 to 6 by Buffalo. It could be a part of the reason Payton cut bait and “retired”…he knew it was going to be tough sledding.

And I’ll say this again for the dozenth time, I don’t point these things out in support of Allen as being the coach next year. I say them because they are facts that should be considered.

I think different coaching decisions may have added 2 to 3 more wins for the team. I also think that fair refereeing would’ve added those same three wins just like players not fumbling or making catches (or Ingram not blowing out a knee one yard short of a first) would have added three wins to the team. We’d then be looking at a 7-6 team very similar as we were to last year about this time.
“I have confidence in our offense and what we’re doing. We just have to be more consistent in what we’re doing.”

- Dennis Allen after the loss against the Bucs.
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Old 12-08-2022, 11:38 AM   #2
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Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

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“I have confidence in our offense and what we’re doing. We just have to be more consistent in what we’re doing.”

- Dennis Allen after the loss against the Bucs.
You want him not to have confidence? They hold onto the ball or make a catch or not get screwed they win the game.
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You want him not to have confidence? They hold onto the ball or make a catch or not get screwed they win the game.
I have confidence. That's my job as a Fan. Head Coach's job is to COACH HIS TEAM to a WIN.
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I have confidence. That's my job as a Fan. Head Coach's job is to COACH HIS TEAM to a WIN.
We've been over this before. I blame players for their mistakes, you blame coaching for not telling them to not make mistakes.
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Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

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“I have confidence in our offense and what we’re doing. We just have to be more consistent in what we’re doing.”

- Dennis Allen after the loss against the Bucs.

Even when I was in over my head coaching youth basketball for two years, I don't think I ever uttered anything like "keep doing what you're doing". How does that motivate anyone, to deal in generalities? It's better to say nothing. DA isn't even good at coach-speak


I should give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he coaches better within the halls of the locker room, but then I see the temperament of our team on game day and it's clear he doesn't have the pulse of his players or assistants.
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Even when I was in over my head coaching youth basketball for two years, I don't think I ever uttered anything like "keep doing what you're doing". How does that motivate anyone, to deal in generalities? It's better to say nothing. DA isn't even good at coach-speak


I should give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he coaches better within the halls of the locker room, but then I see the temperament of our team on game day and it's clear he doesn't have the pulse of his players or assistants.
This is his answer to reporters. Who knows what he is telling his team. Do you deny that had a ball or two been caught, or Ingram not blown his knee one yard short of a first down, or the refs called hold in the 4th quarter the outcome would be different?
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This is his answer to reporters. Who knows what he is telling his team. Do you deny that had a ball or two been caught, or Ingram not blown his knee one yard short of a first down, or the refs called hold in the 4th quarter the outcome would be different?
Read this back to your self. You’re advocating that if only one of a couple things didn’t go wrong the outcome of a 16-17 game might have been different. You may not realize it but your expectations are so low for this team that you are arguing that one less failure might equate to success.

There was a time when we could discuss all the things done right that lead to success.
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This is his answer to reporters. Who knows what he is telling his team. Do you deny that had a ball or two been caught, or Ingram not blown his knee one yard short of a first down, or the refs called hold in the 4th quarter the outcome would be different?
This! I was about to point out the exact same thing as I was reading through all of this same old stuff trying to catch up.

Coaches don't tell reporters the same thing they tell their players. That is a fact and always has been. I spent several years the sports media arena and have seen the different messages sent to players and to the press. Quite often they are dramatically different. Grasping on to some 'coach speak' and taking it as gospel is naïve.
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Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

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Even when I was in over my head coaching youth basketball for two years, I don't think I ever uttered anything like "keep doing what you're doing". How does that motivate anyone, to deal in generalities? It's better to say nothing. DA isn't even good at coach-speak


I should give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he coaches better within the halls of the locker room, but then I see the temperament of our team on game day and it's clear he doesn't have the pulse of his players or assistants.
It's week 13 and we're still looking to improve on situational football and execution .

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Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

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Well, I think when evaluating Allen’s performance this year some are glossing over the impact that Injuries and Refs had and are dumping a little too much on his shoulders…especially anything to do with the Raiders.

Some people may be unaware of the sorry state of the Raider franchise and their MO from about 94 on. A really good coach like Gruden who had a good QB in Gannon was able to have short term success. But they ran him out of town because of Al Davis’ ego.

I was living 12 miles from Oakland during the Allen tenure (as well as years before and after) so I heard their news daily and watched their games each week (when not blacked out) and tell you he was not the reason the team struggled. Here were the Raider win totals going backwards from his first 4-12 season:
8
8
5
5
4
2
4
5
4

It was a dysfunctional franchise. Crazy Al Davis was running things his way and that included player/coaching decisions. They had drafted Jamarcus Russell. They had no quality QB in years before he took over. Allen drafted Carr, the only decent player at the position since Rich Gannon. One year after drafting Carr he’s fired and Oakland has a 12 win season the year after that with the QB Allen wanted leading the team. But guess what…they were back to a 6 win season the next year and a 4 win season again the year after that. Point is hardly anyone was going to have success at Oakland during that time.

A lot of users here seem to remember Payton having last year’s Saints team playing much more competitively than this year’s team. They weren’t. In games not started by Winston last year the Saints were 4-6. They got blown out 40 to 29 by Philadelphia and 31 to 6 by Buffalo. It could be a part of the reason Payton cut bait and “retired”…he knew it was going to be tough sledding.

And I’ll say this again for the dozenth time, I don’t point these things out in support of Allen as being the coach next year. I say them because they are facts that should be considered.

I think different coaching decisions may have added 2 to 3 more wins for the team. I also think that fair refereeing would’ve added those same three wins just like players not fumbling or making catches (or Ingram not blowing out a knee one yard short of a first) would have added three wins to the team. We’d then be looking at a 7-6 team very similar as we were to last year about this time.
Lmao, coaching decisions would have us #1 in the division right now cut it out
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