Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport.

You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

All good questions. If I had the answers I’d be feeding them to the Saints!

I’m guess Head injuries/concussions are a different ball of wax in that players probably feel like they can come back before protocols allow them.

But other injuries it’s likely on an individual player/team basis on when/if they return based on multiple factors. And the causes are likewise based on multiple factors. But let’s face it, it’s a violent game centered on physical contact. They can make it more like flag football all they want….but you can still blow out a knee or twist an ankle doing that. These guys are getting paid to take that risk.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 11:25 AM

I maintain a less-contact based preseason has made guys softer.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I maintain a less-contact based preseason has made guys softer.

Perhaps. But I believe it has more to do with the players becoming bigger, stronger, and faster every year. Football has always been a violent game, but it is becoming more and more violent every year just based upon the players themselves. Just look at games from 40 years ago. They were not flying around at every position they way they are now. It's a different game.

halloween 65 · 11-16-2022, 01:50 PM

And to think I didn't start that petition, but would sign and support it

nola_swammi · 11-16-2022, 03:17 PM

Where do I sign? The guy have a diamond in the rough in Rasheed and don’t know how to involve him. Dalton is horrible but able to retain the starting job. If the shoe was on the other foot he would have been yanked after that 1st interception in the red zone before the 2 pick 6. You need an alpha man to lead this team; DENNIS ALLEN is not the one. Have a Lamborghini with Ray Charles in the driver seat

After all the injuries and the handling of Winston. I would be surprised if any free agents will even consider coming to New Orleans with DA as head coach

K Major · 11-17-2022, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

The guy have a diamond in the rough in Rasheed and don’t know how to involve him.
After all the injuries and the handling of Winston. I would be surprised if any free agents will even consider coming to New Orleans with DA as head coach

This is why I believe Pete Carmichael is done after this season. His stale, predictable play calling has left a lot to be desired.

There is simply no creativity on offense.

SmashMouth · 11-17-2022, 12:49 PM

Back on topic... who's here that signed the petition?

nola_swammi · 11-18-2022, 03:22 PM

Do anyone believe Lattimore or Jordan would be out due to injury if Payton was the HC? Not saying they are not injured, just Payton would had the team at a mentality to fight to be on the field. Payton didn’t care what place you were drafted, if you could contribute to make the team better you will get your share of snaps. I believe everyone on the team don’t have any faith in DA.

Boston Saint · 11-18-2022, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Do anyone believe Lattimore or Jordan would be out due to injury if Payton was the HC? Not saying they are not injured, just Payton would had the team at a mentality to fight to be on the field. Payton didn’t care what place you were drafted, if you could contribute to make the team better you will get your share of snaps. I believe everyone on the team don’t have any faith in DA.

I disagree. I don’t see quit in the team on the field. I honestly think Injuries/talent has been the biggest problem. But that’s just my opinion.

11-16-2022, 10:56 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport. You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.
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11-16-2022, 10:58 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. All good questions. If I had the answers I’d be feeding them to the Saints! I’m guess Head injuries/concussions are a different ball of wax in that players probably feel like they can come back before protocols allow them. But other injuries it’s likely on an individual player/team basis on when/if they return based on multiple factors. And the causes are likewise based on multiple factors. But let’s face it, it’s a violent game centered on physical contact. They can make it more like flag football all they want….but you can still blow out a knee or twist an ankle doing that. These guys are getting paid to take that risk. SmashMouth likes this.
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11-16-2022, 11:25 AM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen I maintain a less-contact based preseason has made guys softer. jnormand, MatthewT, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

11-16-2022, 11:35 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by Boston Saint I maintain a less-contact based preseason has made guys softer. Perhaps. But I believe it has more to do with the players becoming bigger, stronger, and faster every year. Football has always been a violent game, but it is becoming more and more violent every year just based upon the players themselves. Just look at games from 40 years ago. They were not flying around at every position they way they are now. It's a different game.

11-16-2022, 01:50 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen And to think I didn't start that petition, but would sign and support it

11-16-2022, 03:17 PM	#6
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Where do I sign? The guy have a diamond in the rough in Rasheed and don’t know how to involve him. Dalton is horrible but able to retain the starting job. If the shoe was on the other foot he would have been yanked after that 1st interception in the red zone before the 2 pick 6. You need an alpha man to lead this team; DENNIS ALLEN is not the one. Have a Lamborghini with Ray Charles in the driver seat After all the injuries and the handling of Winston. I would be surprised if any free agents will even consider coming to New Orleans with DA as head coach

11-17-2022, 12:56 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by nola_swammi The guy have a diamond in the rough in Rasheed and don’t know how to involve him. After all the injuries and the handling of Winston. I would be surprised if any free agents will even consider coming to New Orleans with DA as head coach This is why I believe Pete Carmichael is done after this season. His stale, predictable play calling has left a lot to be desired. There is simply no creativity on offense. neugey, SmashMouth and Rell&Gold like this.

11-17-2022, 12:49 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,916 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Back on topic... who's here that signed the petition?

11-18-2022, 03:22 PM	#9
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Do anyone believe Lattimore or Jordan would be out due to injury if Payton was the HC? Not saying they are not injured, just Payton would had the team at a mentality to fight to be on the field. Payton didn’t care what place you were drafted, if you could contribute to make the team better you will get your share of snaps. I believe everyone on the team don’t have any faith in DA.

11-18-2022, 03:26 PM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by nola_swammi Do anyone believe Lattimore or Jordan would be out due to injury if Payton was the HC? Not saying they are not injured, just Payton would had the team at a mentality to fight to be on the field. Payton didn’t care what place you were drafted, if you could contribute to make the team better you will get your share of snaps. I believe everyone on the team don’t have any faith in DA. I disagree. I don’t see quit in the team on the field. I honestly think Injuries/talent has been the biggest problem. But that’s just my opinion.