Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

11-16-2022, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

What we need is some healthy players! We’ve got three backup Olinemen blocking for a backup QB throwing to Kevin White, Smith, and Callaway.

Originally Posted by papz

I agree. If you really look at the roster, when healthy, we're actually in good shape. We just need a slightly above average quarterback and we're a playoff team. The problem is that we're never healthy and we don't have the latter either. Jimmy G has been mentioned several times on the board and I think he actually works here if we can find some money between the couch cushions. It's not a bad stop gap.

Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have put together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization?

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I agree. If you really look at the roster, when healthy, we're actually in good shape. We just need a slightly above average quarterback and we're a playoff team. The problem is that we're never healthy and we don't have the latter either. Jimmy G has been mentioned several times on the board and I think he actually works here if we can find some money between the couch cushions. It's not a bad stop gap.

I’m hoping for Minshew the second. With a nickname like “Jockstrap King” I’d roll with that.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have out together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization?

That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science.

BakoSaint · 11-16-2022, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I agree. If you really look at the roster, when healthy, we're actually in good shape. We just need a slightly above average quarterback and we're a playoff team. The problem is that we're never healthy and we don't have the latter either. Jimmy G has been mentioned several times on the board and I think he actually works here if we can find some money between the couch cushions. It's not a bad stop gap.

Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years.

mapcow · 11-16-2022, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science.

Guess he could not do his job either... Turf Toe is it?

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years.

Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without:

2-3 starting olinemen,
# 1 WR
#1 CB
starting QB
Any backup RBs
Middle LB

Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams.

SmashMouth · 11-16-2022, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have put together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science.

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years.

Originally Posted by mapcow

Guess he could not do his job either... Turf Toe is it?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without:

2-3 starting olinemen,
# 1 WR
#1 CB
starting QB
Any backup RBs
Middle LB

Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams.

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport.

You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

All good questions. If I had the answers I’d be feeding them to the Saints!

I’m guess Head injuries/concussions are a different ball of wax in that players probably feel like they can come back before protocols allow them.

But other injuries it’s likely on an individual player/team basis on when/if they return based on multiple factors. And the causes are likewise based on multiple factors. But let’s face it, it’s a violent game centered on physical contact. They can make it more like flag football all they want….but you can still blow out a knee or twist an ankle doing that. These guys are getting paid to take that risk.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport.

You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.

I think they want to give all teams a “chance” by establishing a cap to avoid mega-spending teams ruling the league. But they don’t want parity 8-8 teams throughout the league. The league loves stars and winners. They want record setters and attention grabbers. The league really only has to have about 3-4 good matchups a week to show nationwide to keep interest.

11-16-2022, 09:35 AM	#11
Threaded by SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Boston Saint What we need is some healthy players! We’ve got three backup Olinemen blocking for a backup QB throwing to Kevin White, Smith, and Callaway. Originally Posted by papz I agree. If you really look at the roster, when healthy, we're actually in good shape. We just need a slightly above average quarterback and we're a playoff team. The problem is that we're never healthy and we don't have the latter either. Jimmy G has been mentioned several times on the board and I think he actually works here if we can find some money between the couch cushions. It's not a bad stop gap. Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have put together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization? Rell&Gold, K Major and Boston Saint like this. Last edited by SmashMouth; 11-16-2022 at 10:58 AM..
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11-16-2022, 09:38 AM	#12
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by papz I agree. If you really look at the roster, when healthy, we're actually in good shape. We just need a slightly above average quarterback and we're a playoff team. The problem is that we're never healthy and we don't have the latter either. Jimmy G has been mentioned several times on the board and I think he actually works here if we can find some money between the couch cushions. It's not a bad stop gap. I’m hoping for Minshew the second. With a nickname like “Jockstrap King” I’d roll with that.

11-16-2022, 09:57 AM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have out together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization? That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science.

11-16-2022, 10:28 AM	#14
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by papz I agree. If you really look at the roster, when healthy, we're actually in good shape. We just need a slightly above average quarterback and we're a playoff team. The problem is that we're never healthy and we don't have the latter either. Jimmy G has been mentioned several times on the board and I think he actually works here if we can find some money between the couch cushions. It's not a bad stop gap. Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years. Rell&Gold likes this.
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11-16-2022, 11:02 AM	#16
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by BakoSaint Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years. Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without: 2-3 starting olinemen, # 1 WR #1 CB starting QB Any backup RBs Middle LB Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams. saintsfan1976, Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have put together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science. Originally Posted by BakoSaint Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years. Originally Posted by mapcow Guess he could not do his job either... Turf Toe is it? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without: 2-3 starting olinemen, # 1 WR #1 CB starting QB Any backup RBs Middle LB Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams. So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

11-16-2022, 11:56 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport. You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.
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11-16-2022, 11:58 AM	#19
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. All good questions. If I had the answers I’d be feeding them to the Saints! I’m guess Head injuries/concussions are a different ball of wax in that players probably feel like they can come back before protocols allow them. But other injuries it’s likely on an individual player/team basis on when/if they return based on multiple factors. And the causes are likewise based on multiple factors. But let’s face it, it’s a violent game centered on physical contact. They can make it more like flag football all they want….but you can still blow out a knee or twist an ankle doing that. These guys are getting paid to take that risk. SmashMouth likes this.
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11-16-2022, 12:13 PM	#20
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport. You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads. I think they want to give all teams a “chance” by establishing a cap to avoid mega-spending teams ruling the league. But they don’t want parity 8-8 teams throughout the league. The league loves stars and winners. They want record setters and attention grabbers. The league really only has to have about 3-4 good matchups a week to show nationwide to keep interest. iceshack149, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.