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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; The root of the issue with CGJ not being here was money. Money we didn't have to give him which IMO, he certainly earned. Loomis failed with getting a contract done and Allen failed getting a bag of balls for ...
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11-16-2022, 10:20 AM | #1 |
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Re: Is it time to shake up upper management?
The root of the issue with CGJ not being here was money. Money we didn't have to give him which IMO, he certainly earned. Loomis failed with getting a contract done and Allen failed getting a bag of balls for the trade. Why in the flying F do we have Allen in position of making trades? That makes Loomis a fail on both accounts regarding CGJ.
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11-16-2022, 11:11 AM | #2 |
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Re: Is it time to shake up upper management?
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They had and still have the money to give him if they wanted. They made a decision to get rid of him and do not doubt the trouble he was causing throughout the preseason was more of a factor than the contract demands.
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11-16-2022, 10:41 AM | #3 |
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Yeah, I felt really good going into game 1 until that trade happened. I (we) can only guess as to what happened and why we got so apparently little. On the surface it seems like a bad deal for the Saints. But I doubt we will know what happened in truth. CGJ is an emotional player and personality. Could be after negotiations broke down CGJ said “trade me to Philly. If you trade me anywhere else I’ll be a problem for my new team. If you don’t trade me I’ll be a problem for yours”. So the Saints decided to get what they could. Could be there were teams offering more than what Philly was and the front office/DA was dumb enough to take Philly’s offer anyway. Somehow I doubt that was the case.
Regardless, how much cap space they had certainly made a difference. |
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Don't forget they had a ton of cap space that they had cleared for the run after Deshaun Watson.
C.J. Gardner-Johnson’s behavior towards Saints coaches reportedly paved way for trade Scott Rogust - Aug 30 The New Orleans Saints trading defensive back C.J. Gardner Johnson to the Philadelphia Eagles shocked many. But according to one report, it was bound to happen. On Aug. 30, the day of the NFL's roster cutdown deadline, the New Orleans Saints made a rather shocking decision. They decided to trade safety C.J. Gardner-Johnson and a 2025 seventh-round pick to the Philadelphia Eagles in exchange for a 2023 fifth-round pick and a 2024 sixth-round pick. The move made Philadelphia's active offseason that much better. But why would the Saints trade away their talented defensive back? According to New Orleans Football's Nick Underhill (subscription required), the Saints let it be known that they were not going to re-sign Gardner-Johnson "on his terms." Not only that, but Underhill reports that Gardner-Johnson "stopped taking coaching." |
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No. All that money was not spoken for. Not delusional at all. The facts are that Gardner-Johnson was still under contract for 2022 under his original 4 year deal he signed with the Saints. We had, and still have plenty of 2023 cap available to make any number of deals, including an extension for him. He was wanting a new contract for more than we were willing to pay. But he refused to practice under his current contract and refused to do as the coaches asked under his current contract. They finally decided to trade him the final day before final cuts to 53. They could have just cut him and got nothing in return.
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11-16-2022, 11:29 AM | #8 |
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Re: Is it time to shake up upper management?
I'm having mixed feelings and trying to remember the particulars of Sean Payton's hiring. If Loomis was hired as GM and was the main guy responsible for interviewing and hiring Payton, who was a huge success, maybe we should give him a chance to find the next successful Saints head coach from the outside. But if his decision is to plod along with Allen and most of the current staff into next season and we ain't looking much better in January, that is where I'd start to roll my eyes and really feel we need a new GM as well.
My patience though with Loomis is growing thin, because if we are losing a lot of games paying for all those trade-ups in the draft and the dead-money cap limitations really start to hit home and lead me to believe we need a different financial approach to roster building. |
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Re: Is it time to shake up upper management?
The way that Kai Harley has set up our salary cap has given us a lot of extra money to use on acquiring players. Last year we had an extra 25.7 million dollars to spend because of our financial structuring. I like Loomis, but he really is just being counter and does not have the qualifications for personnel to be a GM. And Jeff Island failed miserably his last go round so I don't think he's an option. He's good at what he does now though!
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I thought we made an offer to Marcus Williams and he just chose to walk.
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