Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties?

Boston Saint · 12-09-2022, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints had more penalties (6-84)
Only 56 total plays (Tampa - 75)
3rd down efficiency was poor (5-14)

But the big stat line for me —> RED ZONE (0-3). Settling for fgs instead of TDs.

It’s the “little” things that get you beat on Sundays.

Details, details.

Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands.

Sinner · 12-09-2022, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands.

That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football?

Boston Saint · 12-09-2022, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football?

You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner.

mapcow · 12-09-2022, 03:59 PM

The Prima Donna and the thug

Sinner · 12-09-2022, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner.

So they CAN catch! But they don't or won't. Why not? (By the way, I LOVE that you wrote "couch" instead of "coach". Sounds about right).

Boston Saint · 12-09-2022, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

So they CAN catch! But they don't or won't. Why not? (By the way, I LOVE that you wrote "couch" instead of "coach". Sounds about right).

An, the old autocorrect insult. Pretty sorry when you have to resort to that.

Sinner · 12-09-2022, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

An, the old autocorrect insult. Pretty sorry when you have to resort to that.

Don't be insulted by autocorrect. Sometimes it gets it right!

AsylumGuido · 12-09-2022, 05:16 PM

If a player requires a coach to motivate them to catch a ball or to keep from moving prior to the snap then it is 100% THAT player's problem. That's something they should have already mastered well before ever becoming a professional.

Sinner · 12-09-2022, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If a player requires a coach to motivate them to catch a ball or to keep from moving prior to the snap then it is 100% THAT player's problem. That's something they should have already mastered well before ever becoming a professional.

So you ARE saying that PROFESSIONAL RECEIVERS haven't mastered catching the ball before becoming professional? Or now that they are PROS, they forgot how to catch? Or PROFESSIONAL LINEMEN haven't learned how to keep from moving prior to the snap, well before becoming PROS, or that now that they are PROFESSIONALS, they forgot how to PLAY? And that THESE professional players DON'T require a PROFESSIONAL COACH to motivate them?

AsylumGuido · 12-09-2022, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

So you ARE saying that PROFESSIONAL RECEIVERS haven't mastered catching the ball before becoming professional? Or now that they are PROFESSIONALS, they forgot how to catch? And that professional players DON'T require a PROFESSIONAL COACH to motivate them?

None of the above. No doubt they can all catch a ball FAR, FAR better than you or I. But, they are human and as humans make mistakes like all of us. Why? Perhaps they are trying too hard to get an edge. But, nothing a coach says at this point of their careers about basic fundamentals should make a difference.

Just look at the Rams. They are have exactly the same issues. I guess in your mind McVay has suddenly forgot how to coach.

12-09-2022, 03:21 PM	#31
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by K Major Saints had more penalties (6-84) Only 56 total plays (Tampa - 75) 3rd down efficiency was poor (5-14) But the big stat line for me —> RED ZONE (0-3). Settling for fgs instead of TDs. It’s the “little” things that get you beat on Sundays. Details, details. Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands.

12-09-2022, 03:26 PM	#32
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands. That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football?
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12-09-2022, 03:57 PM	#33
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football? You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner. AsylumGuido likes this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Boston Saint You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner. So they CAN catch! But they don't or won't. Why not? (By the way, I LOVE that you wrote "couch" instead of "coach". Sounds about right).
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12-09-2022, 04:22 PM	#36
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner So they CAN catch! But they don't or won't. Why not? (By the way, I LOVE that you wrote "couch" instead of "coach". Sounds about right). An, the old autocorrect insult. Pretty sorry when you have to resort to that.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Boston Saint An, the old autocorrect insult. Pretty sorry when you have to resort to that. Don't be insulted by autocorrect. Sometimes it gets it right! Boston Saint likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? If a player requires a coach to motivate them to catch a ball or to keep from moving prior to the snap then it is 100% THAT player's problem. That's something they should have already mastered well before ever becoming a professional.

12-09-2022, 05:26 PM	#39
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If a player requires a coach to motivate them to catch a ball or to keep from moving prior to the snap then it is 100% THAT player's problem. That's something they should have already mastered well before ever becoming a professional. So you ARE saying that PROFESSIONAL RECEIVERS haven't mastered catching the ball before becoming professional? Or now that they are PROS, they forgot how to catch? Or PROFESSIONAL LINEMEN haven't learned how to keep from moving prior to the snap, well before becoming PROS, or that now that they are PROFESSIONALS, they forgot how to PLAY? And that THESE professional players DON'T require a PROFESSIONAL COACH to motivate them?
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12-09-2022, 05:35 PM	#40
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner So you ARE saying that PROFESSIONAL RECEIVERS haven't mastered catching the ball before becoming professional? Or now that they are PROFESSIONALS, they forgot how to catch? And that professional players DON'T require a PROFESSIONAL COACH to motivate them? None of the above. No doubt they can all catch a ball FAR, FAR better than you or I. But, they are human and as humans make mistakes like all of us. Why? Perhaps they are trying too hard to get an edge. But, nothing a coach says at this point of their careers about basic fundamentals should make a difference. Just look at the Rams. They are have exactly the same issues. I guess in your mind McVay has suddenly forgot how to coach.