Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties?

Rugby Saint II · 12-09-2022, 02:16 PM

If you look at a team that is unorganized, lacks Focus, and performs below expectations then you well probably see a Dennis Allen coached team. At least that is what I see.

I understand Boston's many valid points about Dennis Allen and the multiple injuries we've had along with a backup quarterback leading the team. Although, I still believe that Dennis Allen should have brought in a more Worthy quarterback. Yes, the front office and l both gave Winston the benefit of the doubt. Now I doubt that the front office nor I made a good decision.

With us benching Winston it looks like that was not the right move for a first-year coach to bring ba basically a laughing stock and try to fix him. Sean Payton coached Winston last year and was able to bring out his best. Unfortunately, Dennis Allen does not know how to bring out his players best. How in the world can you lead the NFL in false start penalties? Yes, we have backups out there but they should be motivated to stop the numerous penalties that we have been committing.

K Major · 12-09-2022, 03:15 PM

Saints had more penalties (6-84)
Only 56 total plays (Tampa - 75)
3rd down efficiency was poor (5-14)

But the big stat line for me —> RED ZONE (0-3). Settling for fgs instead of TDs.

It’s the “little” things that get you beat on Sundays.

Details, details.

Boston Saint · 12-09-2022, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints had more penalties (6-84)
Only 56 total plays (Tampa - 75)
3rd down efficiency was poor (5-14)

But the big stat line for me —> RED ZONE (0-3). Settling for fgs instead of TDs.

It’s the “little” things that get you beat on Sundays.

Details, details.

Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands.

Sinner · 12-09-2022, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands.

That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football?

Boston Saint · 12-09-2022, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football?

You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner.

Sinner · 12-09-2022, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner.

So they CAN catch! But they don't or won't. Why not? (By the way, I LOVE that you wrote "couch" instead of "coach". Sounds about right).

mapcow · 12-09-2022, 03:59 PM

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Boston Saint · 12-10-2022, 03:58 PM

Kamara fumbles and Allen is responsible. “He doesn’t motivate Kamara” and is a bad coach. Kamara isn’t “scared” of Allen like he was Payton. “Payton wouldn’t put up with that. He’d bench him”.

Next week, Kamara gets fewer touches. It’s “Allen doesn’t use Kamara enough”. Classic.

dizzle88 · 12-10-2022, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Kamara fumbles and Allen is responsible. “He doesn’t motivate Kamara” and is a bad coach. Kamara isn’t “scared” of Allen like he was Payton. “Payton wouldn’t put up with that. He’d bench him”.

Next week, Kamara gets fewer touches. It’s “Allen doesn’t use Kamara enough”. Classic.

I personally wouldn't say Allen didn't use him enough in the last game.

I'd say Kamara isn't playing very well and hasn't most of the season.

Admittedly, I believe Alvin is a different player when going against the Bucs, Devin White seems to get the better of him in every matchup.

Maybe Alvin isn't being used correctly. The whole team is a mess to be fair, top to bottom.

AsylumGuido · 12-10-2022, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I personally wouldn't say Allen didn't use him enough in the last game.

I'd say Kamara isn't playing very well and hasn't most of the season.

Admittedly, I believe Alvin is a different player when going against the Bucs, Devin White seems to get the better of him in every matchup.

Maybe Alvin isn't being used correctly. The whole team is a mess to be fair, top to bottom.

Once again, playcalling (repeatedly running up the gut on 1st down) and injuries play a major role in this.

The Bucs knew what Carmichael was going to do and White was the beneficiary of the easy play, especially being defended by backups.

And, Bingo! Kamara hasn't been being used correctly. That's Carmichael's fault.

12-09-2022, 02:16 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? If you look at a team that is unorganized, lacks Focus, and performs below expectations then you well probably see a Dennis Allen coached team. At least that is what I see. I understand Boston's many valid points about Dennis Allen and the multiple injuries we've had along with a backup quarterback leading the team. Although, I still believe that Dennis Allen should have brought in a more Worthy quarterback. Yes, the front office and l both gave Winston the benefit of the doubt. Now I doubt that the front office nor I made a good decision. With us benching Winston it looks like that was not the right move for a first-year coach to bring ba basically a laughing stock and try to fix him. Sean Payton coached Winston last year and was able to bring out his best. Unfortunately, Dennis Allen does not know how to bring out his players best. How in the world can you lead the NFL in false start penalties? Yes, we have backups out there but they should be motivated to stop the numerous penalties that we have been committing.
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12-09-2022, 03:15 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Saints had more penalties (6-84) Only 56 total plays (Tampa - 75) 3rd down efficiency was poor (5-14) But the big stat line for me —> RED ZONE (0-3). Settling for fgs instead of TDs. It’s the “little” things that get you beat on Sundays. Details, details. Boston Saint likes this.

12-09-2022, 03:21 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by K Major Saints had more penalties (6-84) Only 56 total plays (Tampa - 75) 3rd down efficiency was poor (5-14) But the big stat line for me —> RED ZONE (0-3). Settling for fgs instead of TDs. It’s the “little” things that get you beat on Sundays. Details, details. Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands.

12-09-2022, 03:26 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands. That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football?
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12-09-2022, 03:57 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football? You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner. AsylumGuido likes this.

12-09-2022, 04:00 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Boston Saint You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner. So they CAN catch! But they don't or won't. Why not? (By the way, I LOVE that you wrote "couch" instead of "coach". Sounds about right).
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12-09-2022, 03:59 PM	#7
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12-10-2022, 03:58 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Kamara fumbles and Allen is responsible. “He doesn’t motivate Kamara” and is a bad coach. Kamara isn’t “scared” of Allen like he was Payton. “Payton wouldn’t put up with that. He’d bench him”. Next week, Kamara gets fewer touches. It’s “Allen doesn’t use Kamara enough”. Classic.

12-10-2022, 04:12 PM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Kamara fumbles and Allen is responsible. “He doesn’t motivate Kamara” and is a bad coach. Kamara isn’t “scared” of Allen like he was Payton. “Payton wouldn’t put up with that. He’d bench him”. Next week, Kamara gets fewer touches. It’s “Allen doesn’t use Kamara enough”. Classic. I personally wouldn't say Allen didn't use him enough in the last game. I'd say Kamara isn't playing very well and hasn't most of the season. Admittedly, I believe Alvin is a different player when going against the Bucs, Devin White seems to get the better of him in every matchup. Maybe Alvin isn't being used correctly. The whole team is a mess to be fair, top to bottom. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

12-10-2022, 04:17 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by dizzle88 I personally wouldn't say Allen didn't use him enough in the last game. I'd say Kamara isn't playing very well and hasn't most of the season. Admittedly, I believe Alvin is a different player when going against the Bucs, Devin White seems to get the better of him in every matchup. Maybe Alvin isn't being used correctly. The whole team is a mess to be fair, top to bottom. Once again, playcalling (repeatedly running up the gut on 1st down) and injuries play a major role in this. The Bucs knew what Carmichael was going to do and White was the beneficiary of the easy play, especially being defended by backups. And, Bingo! Kamara hasn't been being used correctly. That's Carmichael's fault. Rugby Saint II likes this.