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Final thought - I think there are a handful of coaches players would give anything to play for today. Andy Reid has to be up there. Belichick, maybe not so much. Certainly Harbaugh, Mcvay, Tomlin...

But Sean Payton could easily be top 3.

That's worth multiple 1st round picks.

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Yes... but we don't care, do we, as Saints fans? The Hershel Walker trade was monstrous and not worth it for the team that got him. But the team that benefited the most got all those draft picks. We are in that now enviable seat, except it's for a highly marketable HC. We SHOULD get value for this. The last thing we want is a Ceedy Deuce type trade. Teams are going to try for that, of course. But some team will buckle and pay the price. :bng:

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Gut is telling me Payton will go to the Texans. They have a ton of draft capital to send to us plus rebuild their own team thanks to the Watson trade. The QB position is also basically open for him there to draft or bring in whoever he wants.

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-the-stretch/

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Brady is not welcome here.

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Right, leave his old a** where he's at.

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He might be trying to get away from his stalker, Giselle. who bought a house right across the waterway from his house in TB. :D

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I'm actually praying SP accepts a new HC gig in 2023.

Man, we need that draft capital.

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Payton's landing somewhere as head coach is going to be more of a problematic move than some anticipate. All three parties have to be on the same page.

1) The possible acquiring franchise must be completely open to trading a great deal of capital solely for the rights of Payton;

2) Payton must be seeing that franchise as being at the very least an acceptable location to land;

3) and the Saints must be willing to accept the location AND the capital being offered.

If any of those are not in place Payton will be back on the boob tube next season.

However, the final location with the least resistance would be to New Orleans as two of the three roadblocks would be non-existent.

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...picks-in-trade

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Sunday the team feels Payton "is worth what other great coaches have been valued at and then some."

Schefter noted the Oakland Raiders got two first-round picks, two second-rounders and $8 million from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in return for Jon Gruden in 2002. Draft compensation, including a first-rounder, was also attached to Bill Belichick's hiring by the New England Patriots in 2000 and Bill Parcells' arrival with the New York Jets three years earlier.

Jonathan Jones of CBSSports.com canvassed a few team executives and got a range of responses as to Payton's value in a swap.

One said a first-rounder is "unrealistic in my opinion," and another said they'd request a first-round pick but accept second- and fourth-rounders. However, one executive pointed to the Gruden deal as the bar for their demands.

Payton is the most prized target in the NFL coaching market. He had a 152-89 record in his 15 years with the Saints, leading the franchise to its first Super Bowl victory in 2009.



Finally some common sense on trade value. C'mon 'Zona. Bring that top 5 pick and then some.

I want CJ Stroud and another Trevor Penning.

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Last I read, Indianapolis has entered the SP “sweepstakes”.

Good, let the bidding war begin.

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Don't be surprised if Sean Payton returns next year rather than this year. The teams he has the most interest in are winning down the stretch. I think he would rather wait another year instead of limiting himself to one of the franchises currently in the market. Arizona and Houston are still good possibilities though in my opinion.

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If Payton is putting a staff together right now then there's likely no waiting until next year. Why get a staff together now when many of those coaches will likely be picked by other teams in this next offseason?

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It's basically just speculation that he's "putting together a staff". The article claims a "league source" as the source. There's no indication that he has actually made any serious inquiries with anyone to be a part of a staff. Not saying it won't happen, but at this point it's nothing more than speculation.

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He is more likely to wait a year to stop a team giving too much away in draft capital. Give it a month and you'll start hearing how he is willing to wait a year for them reasons. I'm not sure why so many seem happy to overlook his part in the mess this team is in. Its wasn't just Loomis giving out and extending these deals to older veterans for one more shot. The amount of dead money flushed down the hole in cap space each year to do this has stopped the team from getting players that could have made a difference or clearing certain players off the roster. The lack of cap space has is what has effectively meant trading a backfield of CjGJ/Williams to Maye/Mathieu, swapping two players headed into their primes for two aging vets.CJ on his own has 1 more interception than the Saints have throughout the team in only 11 games. And Marcus Williams has one less than the Saints total in 9 games

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Williams and Gardner-Johnson are not with other teams because of lack of cap space. They are elsewhere because what they were demanding was not what the Saints were willing to pay. Big difference. Add to that the fact that Gardner-Johnson had become a major distraction and was refusing to practice. He's now doing his best Michael Thomas imitation on the Eagles IR.

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R1
25

R2/SF
66
69/IND

R3
98

R5
130

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https://sports.yahoo.com/broncos-get...223311374.html

Not enough trade material.

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Its plenty, the Saints are not getting the Gruden deal, not even close.
For one Payton isn't going to move to a team and agree not to have a 1st rounder for his first two years and 2nd he has one more year on the deal before he can walk for nothing. If they Saints play hardball you'll see Payton friendly media leaking stories that he will wait a year before signing elsewhere.

They'll get a 1st and maybe a 2nd in 2024 or a 1+3 this year

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But you also know that our front office has a habit of NOT getting good trade value (re: Recent Philly Eagles trade) so I'm not sure what they will accept for the rights to SP.

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I think there's two years left on his contract, not one. And this is just the beginning of the bidding from all teams. Black Monday is mere a week away!

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Texans maybe? They got picks and not far from Dallas? Rumors?

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Speaking of “black Monday”, does Josh McDaniels keep his job?

Raiders took another L today.

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Yeah appears your right
Thought i heard 1 year and that through 2024 would mean Jan 2024 not 2024 season

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Yahoo thinks it knows something about trade value

And now maybe the Cardinals?

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That's too many picks. I doubt the Broncos would want to punt almost their whole draft. I think it'd be better for both sides if it were a combination of a few picks and a few young cap-friendly players. Pat Surtain II, Javonte Williams. Maybe they have a good young guard too.

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I read somewhere that players cannot be part of a trade when trading a coach, unfortunately.

The picks will be multiple and in multiple years. I think it has to be, unless you're the Texans.

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Potential NFC spots

Potential AFC spots

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Teams are desperate for a good head coach. Denver has all of their 2024 and 2025 picks.

Not saying Sean is headed to the Broncos, however the Saint's front office brass probably has the same mindset the Pels had with Anthony Davis.

Multiple picks.

Expect more teams to enter the SP "sweepstakes" after black Monday for NFL coaches around the league.

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So.... Texans now?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...fter-one-year/

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No way he goes to a division rival.

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Texans have the most draft capital, and they are an AFC team.

1st, 3rd, and 6th this year
1st and 5th next year

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Two firsts this year.

Seems like a less desirable destination IMO

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https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2023...n-saints-news/

Denver works. I have no issues trading him to a division rival if we can extort more compensation from them.