Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row.

You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it...

It totally blows his narrative out of the water. That's why he ignores it.

BakoSaint · 01-04-2023, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row.

You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it...

I have said many times that our injuries are not a bug or fluke of Mickey Loomis’ system they are a feature. A major reason I advocate a rebuild is to clean house of our injury prone players. Its the people who argue for continuity who are ignoring the injury problem. Nobody has ever come back reliably from the stretch of 40 of 50 games that Thomas has missed. He will be injured next year just like Matt Ryan will blow big leads if given the opportunity. Andrus Peat will not play a full season, he never has. We are actually lucky on injuries that Taysom Hill has not had a major one yet. He always does with enough snaps. Guys like Mathieu and Landry are old and will be probe to injury. The way Loomis manages the cap we can’t get rid of the injury prone lame ducks like other teams do, we actually have to restructure their contacts with extensions to get under the cap. Had Julio Jones been a Saint not a Falcon he would still be on our roster and we would be talking about how its smart to keep him for 2023 and we can restructure his contract to add voidable years and prorate his converted bonus into 2028 and save $8 million vs $18 million dead cap to cut him so make it happen Loomis. You can convince yourself all you want that injuries are random but ultimately if a team seeks out and retains injury prone players they will have more injuries. This year was predictable. And exactly which injury rates are historic depends on what metric you use. The Chargers had a lot of injuries and are headed to the playoffs. The Steelers lost their best player for a lot of games and beat us. Plenty of teams have lost big players like Kupp and Stafford on the Rams. I am not ignoring the injuries I am saying we need to change our ways to prevent them and have more depth of mid round picks with upside to deal with them.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I have said many times that our injuries are not a bug or fluke of Mickey Loomis’ system they are a feature. A major reason I advocate a rebuild is to clean house of our injury prone players. Its the people who argue for continuity who are ignoring the injury problem. Nobody has ever come back reliably from the stretch of 40 of 50 games that Thomas has missed. He will be injured next year just like Matt Ryan will blow big leads if given the opportunity. Andrus Peat will not play a full season, he never has. We are actually lucky on injuries that Taysom Hill has not had a major one yet. He always does with enough snaps. Guys like Mathieu and Landry are old and will be probe to injury. The way Loomis manages the cap we can’t get rid of the injury prone lame ducks like other teams do, we actually have to restructure their contacts with extensions to get under the cap. Had Julio Jones been a Saint not a Falcon he would still be on our roster and we would be talking about how its smart to keep him for 2023 and we can restructure his contract to add voidable years and prorate his converted bonus into 2028 and save $8 million vs $18 million dead cap to cut him so make it happen Loomis. You can convince yourself all you want that injuries are random but ultimately if a team seeks out and retains injury prone players they will have more injuries. This year was predictable. And exactly which injury rates are historic depends on what metric you use. The Chargers had a lot of injuries and are headed to the playoffs. The Steelers lost their best player for a lot of games and beat us. Plenty of teams have lost big players like Kupp and Stafford on the Rams. I am not ignoring the injuries I am saying we need to change our ways to prevent them and have more depth of mid round picks with upside to deal with them.

Injuries can happen at any time to any player in the league. A player that has had multiple injuries can go years without another. A player who has never missed a game to injury can be lost for the year in the blink of an eye on any play. The vast majority of injuries cannot be predicted by anyone, nor prevented by anyone.

Sorry, dude, but you are so full of crap.

Once again, waste of time.

mapcow · 01-04-2023, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

Never gonna happen....especially with the prima donna and the thug... and the current coaching crew.....and the absence of a QB.... so on and so on

BakoSaint · 01-04-2023, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Injuries can happen at any time to any player in the league. A player that has had multiple injuries can go years without another. A player who has never missed a game to injury can be lost for the year in the blink of an eye on any play. The vast majority of injuries cannot be predicted by anyone, nor prevented by anyone.

Sorry, dude, but you are so full of crap.

Once again, waste of time.

Ok name a player who missed 40 of 50 games due to injury and then was healthy for years?

My wife was watching Young Sheldon last night and the little boy pointed out something you seem to be missing. He said “you are mixing up possibility with probability.” Yes Jahvid Best could unretire, team up with Michael Thomas, and they could both join Matt Ryan in his return to the Falcons, none missing a game for the next few years, and leading Atlanta to a 40 point super bowl come back win. But thats not probable just because its possible.

You are a waste of time too guido, but at least you cost less to waste time than Thomas and Peat. The definition of insanity is following Andrus Peats career and expecting a healthy 2023. You can’t face the rebuild because you are convinced you won’t live a few more years but we have 20 players who are probably spending more time in the hospital than you and you are convinced they are al going to the pro bowl next year. Work on yourself. Believe in yourself. Don’t live vicariously through Andrus Peat and Michael Thomas. You may outlive them. Although not their deferred bonuses and prorated coverted salaries. None of us will.

SmashMouth · 01-05-2023, 07:16 PM

We should have pushed for Harbaugh last year before hiring DA. The ship has sailed for Harbaugh in NOLA, IMHO.

Who has the most number of picks .... Texans. Would they even consider trading for SP? who knows. Is the situation right in Houston... could be despite their newer coach.

Black Monday cometh faster than we realize. Fasten your seatbelts!

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2023, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We should have pushed for Harbaugh last year before hiring DA. The ship has sailed for Harbaugh in NOLA, IMHO.

Who has the most number of picks .... Texans. Would they even consider trading for SP? who knows. Is the situation right in Houston... could be despite their newer coach.

Black Monday cometh faster than we realize. Fasten your seatbelts!

The Texans could offer every pick they have for the next three years, but if Payton doesn't want to go there it doesn't matter. Once again, the more the franchise offers up for him the less attractive it gets for him.

bobdog86 · 01-06-2023, 12:06 PM

No on Harbaugh. Just too much baggage that would follow. Hard pass

SmashMouth · 01-06-2023, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Texans could offer every pick they have for the next three years, but if Payton doesn't want to go there it doesn't matter. Once again, the more the franchise offers up for him the less attractive it gets for him.

From the Saints perspective, it goes to the highest bidder. If the Texans, so be it.

K Major · 01-06-2023, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

From the Saints perspective, it goes to the highest bidder. If the Texans, so be it.

There you geaux.

01-04-2023, 08:35 AM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row. You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it... It totally blows his narrative out of the water. That's why he ignores it.

01-04-2023, 10:21 AM	#22
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row. You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it... I have said many times that our injuries are not a bug or fluke of Mickey Loomis’ system they are a feature. A major reason I advocate a rebuild is to clean house of our injury prone players. Its the people who argue for continuity who are ignoring the injury problem. Nobody has ever come back reliably from the stretch of 40 of 50 games that Thomas has missed. He will be injured next year just like Matt Ryan will blow big leads if given the opportunity. Andrus Peat will not play a full season, he never has. We are actually lucky on injuries that Taysom Hill has not had a major one yet. He always does with enough snaps. Guys like Mathieu and Landry are old and will be probe to injury. The way Loomis manages the cap we can’t get rid of the injury prone lame ducks like other teams do, we actually have to restructure their contacts with extensions to get under the cap. Had Julio Jones been a Saint not a Falcon he would still be on our roster and we would be talking about how its smart to keep him for 2023 and we can restructure his contract to add voidable years and prorate his converted bonus into 2028 and save $8 million vs $18 million dead cap to cut him so make it happen Loomis. You can convince yourself all you want that injuries are random but ultimately if a team seeks out and retains injury prone players they will have more injuries. This year was predictable. And exactly which injury rates are historic depends on what metric you use. The Chargers had a lot of injuries and are headed to the playoffs. The Steelers lost their best player for a lot of games and beat us. Plenty of teams have lost big players like Kupp and Stafford on the Rams. I am not ignoring the injuries I am saying we need to change our ways to prevent them and have more depth of mid round picks with upside to deal with them.
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01-04-2023, 10:32 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by BakoSaint I have said many times that our injuries are not a bug or fluke of Mickey Loomis’ system they are a feature. A major reason I advocate a rebuild is to clean house of our injury prone players. Its the people who argue for continuity who are ignoring the injury problem. Nobody has ever come back reliably from the stretch of 40 of 50 games that Thomas has missed. He will be injured next year just like Matt Ryan will blow big leads if given the opportunity. Andrus Peat will not play a full season, he never has. We are actually lucky on injuries that Taysom Hill has not had a major one yet. He always does with enough snaps. Guys like Mathieu and Landry are old and will be probe to injury. The way Loomis manages the cap we can’t get rid of the injury prone lame ducks like other teams do, we actually have to restructure their contacts with extensions to get under the cap. Had Julio Jones been a Saint not a Falcon he would still be on our roster and we would be talking about how its smart to keep him for 2023 and we can restructure his contract to add voidable years and prorate his converted bonus into 2028 and save $8 million vs $18 million dead cap to cut him so make it happen Loomis. You can convince yourself all you want that injuries are random but ultimately if a team seeks out and retains injury prone players they will have more injuries. This year was predictable. And exactly which injury rates are historic depends on what metric you use. The Chargers had a lot of injuries and are headed to the playoffs. The Steelers lost their best player for a lot of games and beat us. Plenty of teams have lost big players like Kupp and Stafford on the Rams. I am not ignoring the injuries I am saying we need to change our ways to prevent them and have more depth of mid round picks with upside to deal with them. Injuries can happen at any time to any player in the league. A player that has had multiple injuries can go years without another. A player who has never missed a game to injury can be lost for the year in the blink of an eye on any play. The vast majority of injuries cannot be predicted by anyone, nor prevented by anyone. Sorry, dude, but you are so full of crap. Once again, waste of time. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

01-04-2023, 11:21 AM	#24
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,753	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season. Never gonna happen....especially with the prima donna and the thug... and the current coaching crew.....and the absence of a QB.... so on and so on
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01-04-2023, 12:50 PM	#25
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Injuries can happen at any time to any player in the league. A player that has had multiple injuries can go years without another. A player who has never missed a game to injury can be lost for the year in the blink of an eye on any play. The vast majority of injuries cannot be predicted by anyone, nor prevented by anyone. Sorry, dude, but you are so full of crap. Once again, waste of time. Ok name a player who missed 40 of 50 games due to injury and then was healthy for years? My wife was watching Young Sheldon last night and the little boy pointed out something you seem to be missing. He said “you are mixing up possibility with probability.” Yes Jahvid Best could unretire, team up with Michael Thomas, and they could both join Matt Ryan in his return to the Falcons, none missing a game for the next few years, and leading Atlanta to a 40 point super bowl come back win. But thats not probable just because its possible. You are a waste of time too guido, but at least you cost less to waste time than Thomas and Peat. The definition of insanity is following Andrus Peats career and expecting a healthy 2023. You can’t face the rebuild because you are convinced you won’t live a few more years but we have 20 players who are probably spending more time in the hospital than you and you are convinced they are al going to the pro bowl next year. Work on yourself. Believe in yourself. Don’t live vicariously through Andrus Peat and Michael Thomas. You may outlive them. Although not their deferred bonuses and prorated coverted salaries. None of us will.
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01-05-2023, 07:16 PM	#26
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea We should have pushed for Harbaugh last year before hiring DA. The ship has sailed for Harbaugh in NOLA, IMHO. Who has the most number of picks .... Texans. Would they even consider trading for SP? who knows. Is the situation right in Houston... could be despite their newer coach. Black Monday cometh faster than we realize. Fasten your seatbelts! iceshack149 likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by SmashMouth We should have pushed for Harbaugh last year before hiring DA. The ship has sailed for Harbaugh in NOLA, IMHO. Who has the most number of picks .... Texans. Would they even consider trading for SP? who knows. Is the situation right in Houston... could be despite their newer coach. Black Monday cometh faster than we realize. Fasten your seatbelts! The Texans could offer every pick they have for the next three years, but if Payton doesn't want to go there it doesn't matter. Once again, the more the franchise offers up for him the less attractive it gets for him.

01-06-2023, 12:06 PM	#28
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,406	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea No on Harbaugh. Just too much baggage that would follow. Hard pass

01-06-2023, 02:16 PM	#29
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Texans could offer every pick they have for the next three years, but if Payton doesn't want to go there it doesn't matter. Once again, the more the franchise offers up for him the less attractive it gets for him. From the Saints perspective, it goes to the highest bidder. If the Texans, so be it. K Major likes this.

01-06-2023, 02:24 PM	#30
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by SmashMouth From the Saints perspective, it goes to the highest bidder. If the Texans, so be it. There you geaux. SmashMouth likes this.