Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

Rugby Saint II · 01-03-2023, 03:55 PM

My vague memories of Jim Harbaugh was that his brother is a much better coach and that he left the NFL because he wasn't successful.

rezburna · 01-03-2023, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

My vague memories of Jim Harbaugh was that his brother is a much better coach and that he left the NFL because he wasn't successful.

Jim Harbaugh is 44-19-1 with a Super Bowl appearance as a NFL head coach and I believe three NFC Championship game appearances. He's a great coach. He just hasn't ever one the big one. Andy Reid-esque.

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Winning the NFL South in 2023 at 8-9 or whatever wont mean going deep in the playoffs. Also the the Falcons will have $100 million and a high 1st round pick more than us to improve with from a similar record. Maybe the players want to play for DA but that does not make him elite just passible.

Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team with its #1 QB starting. We should not get too excited that he finally got 2 losing teams and a team without its starting qb in a row and eeked out close wins. Maybe he is ok but ok does not make him Payton or Harbaugh.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

We beat Atlanta twice by a combined total of 4 points. They cleared $124 million more cap space than we did for 2023 while winning 1 less game than us, actually a better record than us outside those head to head games. If we don’t rebuild, I fear $124 million can buy 4 points.

You're talking past, I'm talking future.

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent.

I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space.

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

We will be contending next season for the Lombardi, but so will every team. Dennis Allen, even with a healthy squad will still look like a deer in the headlights. He want take us there. O minded coach might.

How about Dennis Allen + a better OC?

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Jim Harbaugh is 44-19-1 with a Super Bowl appearance as a NFL head coach and I believe three NFC Championship game appearances. He's a great coach. He just hasn't ever one the big one. Andy Reid-esque.

Plus he eats boogers.

jnormand · 01-03-2023, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

From where I sit, we're actually winning games...and we're still all banged up. To scrap this team and start over would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm more inclined to get rid of Carmichael, cut bait on the chronically PUP players and tweak the roster to focus on scoring.

Nobody in the South scares me at this point and we can only go up if we just get/stay heathy and improve our 3rd Down and Red Zone efficiency. We have some solid young talent. I really think we can make some noise in 2023.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Plus he eats boogers.

He does? Sick!!!

BakoSaint · 01-03-2023, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space.

We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points?

BakoSaint · 01-04-2023, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

Due to our cap situation we have lost more key pieces than we have added in free agency for the last few seasons and our cap situation is the same this year. Every team will make additions but how do you expect our additions will push us ahead of other teams additions if we have the least cap space in the league and among the fewest draft picks?

Last week we barely beat Gardner Minshew. All we were missing was Peat who misses time every year, Thomas who has missed 40 of 50 games, and Maye who May be suspended next year. Next year these guys will be a year older. Kamara will probably be supended. We have lots of injuries next year and its obvious we will have lots next year because its many of the same injury prone misfits and free agent bargain bin players. The only way to reduce injuries is to accept a year of rebuild and use it to cut the injury prone guys like peat and thomas.

saintsfan1976 · 01-04-2023, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points?

We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row.

You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it...

01-03-2023, 03:55 PM	#11
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea My vague memories of Jim Harbaugh was that his brother is a much better coach and that he left the NFL because he wasn't successful.

01-03-2023, 04:07 PM	#12
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II My vague memories of Jim Harbaugh was that his brother is a much better coach and that he left the NFL because he wasn't successful. Jim Harbaugh is 44-19-1 with a Super Bowl appearance as a NFL head coach and I believe three NFC Championship game appearances. He's a great coach. He just hasn't ever one the big one. Andy Reid-esque. UK_WhoDat and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-03-2023, 08:55 PM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by BakoSaint Winning the NFL South in 2023 at 8-9 or whatever wont mean going deep in the playoffs. Also the the Falcons will have $100 million and a high 1st round pick more than us to improve with from a similar record. Maybe the players want to play for DA but that does not make him elite just passible. Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team with its #1 QB starting. We should not get too excited that he finally got 2 losing teams and a team without its starting qb in a row and eeked out close wins. Maybe he is ok but ok does not make him Payton or Harbaugh. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space We beat Atlanta twice by a combined total of 4 points. They cleared $124 million more cap space than we did for 2023 while winning 1 less game than us, actually a better record than us outside those head to head games. If we don’t rebuild, I fear $124 million can buy 4 points. You're talking past, I'm talking future.

01-03-2023, 08:57 PM	#14
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by SmashMouth If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent. I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

01-03-2023, 08:58 PM	#15
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by halloween 65 We will be contending next season for the Lombardi, but so will every team. Dennis Allen, even with a healthy squad will still look like a deer in the headlights. He want take us there. O minded coach might. How about Dennis Allen + a better OC? WW_Who_Dat likes this.

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01-03-2023, 08:59 PM	#16
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by rezburna Jim Harbaugh is 44-19-1 with a Super Bowl appearance as a NFL head coach and I believe three NFC Championship game appearances. He's a great coach. He just hasn't ever one the big one. Andy Reid-esque. Plus he eats boogers.

01-03-2023, 09:22 PM	#17
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,661	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by leilung From where I sit, we're actually winning games...and we're still all banged up. To scrap this team and start over would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm more inclined to get rid of Carmichael, cut bait on the chronically PUP players and tweak the roster to focus on scoring. Nobody in the South scares me at this point and we can only go up if we just get/stay heathy and improve our 3rd Down and Red Zone efficiency. We have some solid young talent. I really think we can make some noise in 2023. Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Plus he eats boogers. He does? Sick!!! Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-03-2023, 11:32 PM	#18
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space. We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points?
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01-04-2023, 12:12 AM	#19
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season. Due to our cap situation we have lost more key pieces than we have added in free agency for the last few seasons and our cap situation is the same this year. Every team will make additions but how do you expect our additions will push us ahead of other teams additions if we have the least cap space in the league and among the fewest draft picks? Last week we barely beat Gardner Minshew. All we were missing was Peat who misses time every year, Thomas who has missed 40 of 50 games, and Maye who May be suspended next year. Next year these guys will be a year older. Kamara will probably be supended. We have lots of injuries next year and its obvious we will have lots next year because its many of the same injury prone misfits and free agent bargain bin players. The only way to reduce injuries is to accept a year of rebuild and use it to cut the injury prone guys like peat and thomas.
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01-04-2023, 08:29 AM	#20
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by BakoSaint We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points? We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row. You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it... AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.