Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

BakoSaint · 01-02-2023, 10:01 PM

There are reports Jim Harbaugh will return to the NFL if offered a job. If we could somehow bring in Jim Harbaugh it could be a win-win for strategic reasons.

Habaughs availability on the market could decrease the trade value of Sean Payton. He is a similar big name coach but costs no draft picks. Even a team that prefers Payton might offer fewer picks with Harbaugh as a fallback.

Likewise, the possibility of a Sean Payton return is appealing, but then we dont get any draft picks, and have no 1st rounder thanks to Loomis’ Eagles blunder.

But lets say we sign Harbaugh to replace Payton. We may gain more than any other team because we take Harbaugh off the market, leaving all Paytons other destinations available, and maximizing Paytons trade value. Then we end up with a head coach that has a better regular and post season winning percentage than Payton and who has successfully drafted and developed a second round QB into a star. Also we get a coach who has a needed change of scenery instead of one who burned out with us. And a coach who has won with a mobile qb and with a pocket passing qb and beat Payton in big games.

I am not saying this is very realistic or we could pull it off. But if we did it could be a giant win. Harbaughs career winning percentage is literally more than double Dennis Allens. He is like a Dick Vermeil etc who got very close to a super bowl win and is still hungry and has all the skill.

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 06:48 AM

Pass on Harbaugh.

Pass on Payton.

Pass on "rebuild".

I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message.

Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster.

The NFC South is well in play for 2023.

neugey · 01-03-2023, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Pass on Harbaugh.

Pass on Payton.

Pass on "rebuild".

I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message.

Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster.

The NFC South is well in play for 2023.

The Eagles win was a heck of a surprise. I'm all over the place. It's all on the table now. There's a great argument for giving DA more time, but Payton and Harbaugh need to be considered too.

The Dude · 01-07-2023, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

The Eagles win was a heck of a surprise. I'm all over the place. It's all on the table now. There's a great argument for giving DA more time, but Payton and Harbaugh need to be considered too.

Hurts would have run all over us. Don’t get too pumped.

BakoSaint · 01-08-2023, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Hurts would have run all over us. Don’t get too pumped.

Darnold ran all over us.

K Major · 01-08-2023, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Darnold ran all over us.

Sam ended with a QBR of 2.8.

That is absolutely embarrassing.

BakoSaint · 01-03-2023, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Pass on Harbaugh.

Pass on Payton.

Pass on "rebuild".

I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message.

Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster.

The NFC South is well in play for 2023.

Winning the NFL South in 2023 at 8-9 or whatever wont mean going deep in the playoffs. Also the the Falcons will have $100 million and a high 1st round pick more than us to improve with from a similar record. Maybe the players want to play for DA but that does not make him elite just passible.

Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team with its #1 QB starting. We should not get too excited that he finally got 2 losing teams and a team without its starting qb in a row and eeked out close wins. Maybe he is ok but ok does not make him Payton or Harbaugh.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

We beat Atlanta twice by a combined total of 4 points. They cleared $124 million more cap space than we did for 2023 while winning 1 less game than us, actually a better record than us outside those head to head games. If we don’t rebuild, I fear $124 million can buy 4 points.

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Winning the NFL South in 2023 at 8-9 or whatever wont mean going deep in the playoffs. Also the the Falcons will have $100 million and a high 1st round pick more than us to improve with from a similar record. Maybe the players want to play for DA but that does not make him elite just passible.

Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team with its #1 QB starting. We should not get too excited that he finally got 2 losing teams and a team without its starting qb in a row and eeked out close wins. Maybe he is ok but ok does not make him Payton or Harbaugh.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

We beat Atlanta twice by a combined total of 4 points. They cleared $124 million more cap space than we did for 2023 while winning 1 less game than us, actually a better record than us outside those head to head games. If we don’t rebuild, I fear $124 million can buy 4 points.

You're talking past, I'm talking future.

SmashMouth · 01-03-2023, 09:16 AM

If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent.

AsylumGuido · 01-03-2023, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent.

We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

01-02-2023, 10:01 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea There are reports Jim Harbaugh will return to the NFL if offered a job. If we could somehow bring in Jim Harbaugh it could be a win-win for strategic reasons. Habaughs availability on the market could decrease the trade value of Sean Payton. He is a similar big name coach but costs no draft picks. Even a team that prefers Payton might offer fewer picks with Harbaugh as a fallback. Likewise, the possibility of a Sean Payton return is appealing, but then we dont get any draft picks, and have no 1st rounder thanks to Loomis’ Eagles blunder. But lets say we sign Harbaugh to replace Payton. We may gain more than any other team because we take Harbaugh off the market, leaving all Paytons other destinations available, and maximizing Paytons trade value. Then we end up with a head coach that has a better regular and post season winning percentage than Payton and who has successfully drafted and developed a second round QB into a star. Also we get a coach who has a needed change of scenery instead of one who burned out with us. And a coach who has won with a mobile qb and with a pocket passing qb and beat Payton in big games. I am not saying this is very realistic or we could pull it off. But if we did it could be a giant win. Harbaughs career winning percentage is literally more than double Dennis Allens. He is like a Dick Vermeil etc who got very close to a super bowl win and is still hungry and has all the skill.
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01-03-2023, 06:48 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Pass on Harbaugh. Pass on Payton. Pass on "rebuild". I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message. Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster. The NFC South is well in play for 2023. iceshack149, Rsanders24, papz and 6 others like this.

01-03-2023, 08:34 AM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Pass on Harbaugh. Pass on Payton. Pass on "rebuild". I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message. Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster. The NFC South is well in play for 2023. The Eagles win was a heck of a surprise. I'm all over the place. It's all on the table now. There's a great argument for giving DA more time, but Payton and Harbaugh need to be considered too. Rugby Saint II, bobdog86 and Thirty3 like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by neugey The Eagles win was a heck of a surprise. I'm all over the place. It's all on the table now. There's a great argument for giving DA more time, but Payton and Harbaugh need to be considered too. Hurts would have run all over us. Don’t get too pumped. UK_WhoDat, leilung, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.
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01-08-2023, 05:36 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by The Dude Hurts would have run all over us. Don’t get too pumped. Darnold ran all over us.
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01-08-2023, 05:43 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by BakoSaint Darnold ran all over us. Sam ended with a QBR of 2.8. That is absolutely embarrassing. halloween 65 likes this.

01-03-2023, 07:55 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by BakoSaint Winning the NFL South in 2023 at 8-9 or whatever wont mean going deep in the playoffs. Also the the Falcons will have $100 million and a high 1st round pick more than us to improve with from a similar record. Maybe the players want to play for DA but that does not make him elite just passible. Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team with its #1 QB starting. We should not get too excited that he finally got 2 losing teams and a team without its starting qb in a row and eeked out close wins. Maybe he is ok but ok does not make him Payton or Harbaugh. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space We beat Atlanta twice by a combined total of 4 points. They cleared $124 million more cap space than we did for 2023 while winning 1 less game than us, actually a better record than us outside those head to head games. If we don’t rebuild, I fear $124 million can buy 4 points. You're talking past, I'm talking future.

01-03-2023, 09:16 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent. Rugby Saint II, halloween 65 and BakoSaint like this.

01-03-2023, 10:28 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by SmashMouth If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent. We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season. Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.