Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff

blackangold · 01-22-2023, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's where I stand as well.

There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays.

It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton.

So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact.

Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage.

How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints.

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

K Major · 01-22-2023, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

Mindset.

“Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity.

AsylumGuido · 01-22-2023, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mindset.

“Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity.

Mindset.

Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

Sinner · 01-22-2023, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Mindset.

Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

I still cannot imagine, or get into the "mindset" of a customer, a consumer, a FAN that can just sit back and continue to believe that the law of supply and demand doesn't play a part in a (BIG) business, such as the Sports/Entertainment Industry. Of course it's in your control. You just don't want to demand better from your service provider. Y'all just sit back and enjoy mediocrity (at best), dismal performance (at its worst), and keep forking over your hard-earned bucks and life force to be content with more of the same. It's clinical Masochism.

K Major · 01-22-2023, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

I still cannot imagine, or get into the "mindset" of a customer, a consumer, a FAN that can just sit back and continue to believe that the law of supply and demand doesn't play a part in a (BIG) business, such as the Sports/Entertainment Industry. Of course it's in your control. You just don't want to demand better from your service provider. Y'all just sit back and enjoy mediocrity (at best), dismal performance (at its worst), and keep forking over your hard-earned bucks and life force to be content with more of the same. It's clinical Masochism.

LMAO !! Refer to POST #61.

And right on queue, the mediocrity MINDSET poster responds to defend

.

I only responded (ignore function is WONDERFUL) because I see you quoted his post.

If other opinions on this board doesn’t “jive” with his thoughts, it’s perceived as negative. Saintfan called it on this clown last year.

Meanwhile Dennis, Carmichael will stink it up again in 2023.

AsylumGuido · 01-22-2023, 01:12 PM

On cue, *****in' and moanin'.

And, yes, that ignore function is great!

Sinner · 01-22-2023, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

LMAO !! Refer to POST #61.

And right on queue, the mediocrity MINDSET poster responds to defend .

I only responded (ignore function is WONDERFUL) because I see you quoted his post.

If other opinions on this board doesn’t “jive” with his thoughts, it’s perceived as negative. Saintfan called it on this clown last year.

Meanwhile Dennis, Carmichael will stink it up again in 2023.

IMAGINE a Fan Forum, or any situation really, where there is no "*****in and moanin" - while dismal season after dismal season rolls on, completely unchecked and accepted. A compliant, complacent, robotic world. Much more negative at its core, than any *****in' and moanin'.

saintsfan1976 · 01-23-2023, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints.

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

I'm not defending "anything the Saints do", in fact I've been very vocal in my criticism. I even stated Pete wasn't effective without SP...

If you're suggesting the Offensive Coordinator of the last 16 years wasn't designing plays throughout the week then I'm not sure there's much more to debate about because that's just not plausible.

01-22-2023, 10:06 AM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's where I stand as well. There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays. It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton. So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact. Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage. How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints. Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. iceshack149, SmashMouth, Sinner and 1 others like this.

01-22-2023, 12:30 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by blackangold Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. Mindset. “Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity. Sinner likes this.

01-22-2023, 12:38 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by K Major Mindset. “Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity. Mindset. Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

01-22-2023, 12:54 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Mindset. Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control. I still cannot imagine, or get into the "mindset" of a customer, a consumer, a FAN that can just sit back and continue to believe that the law of supply and demand doesn't play a part in a (BIG) business, such as the Sports/Entertainment Industry. Of course it's in your control. You just don't want to demand better from your service provider. Y'all just sit back and enjoy mediocrity (at best), dismal performance (at its worst), and keep forking over your hard-earned bucks and life force to be content with more of the same. It's clinical Masochism. iceshack149 and K Major like this.
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01-22-2023, 01:06 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by Sinner I still cannot imagine, or get into the "mindset" of a customer, a consumer, a FAN that can just sit back and continue to believe that the law of supply and demand doesn't play a part in a (BIG) business, such as the Sports/Entertainment Industry. Of course it's in your control. You just don't want to demand better from your service provider. Y'all just sit back and enjoy mediocrity (at best), dismal performance (at its worst), and keep forking over your hard-earned bucks and life force to be content with more of the same. It's clinical Masochism. LMAO !! Refer to POST #61. And right on queue, the mediocrity MINDSET poster responds to defend . I only responded (ignore function is WONDERFUL) because I see you quoted his post. If other opinions on this board doesn’t “jive” with his thoughts, it’s perceived as negative. Saintfan called it on this clown last year. Meanwhile Dennis, Carmichael will stink it up again in 2023. iceshack149 and Sinner like this.

01-22-2023, 01:12 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff On cue, *****in' and moanin'. And, yes, that ignore function is great!

01-22-2023, 01:46 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by K Major LMAO !! Refer to POST #61. And right on queue, the mediocrity MINDSET poster responds to defend . I only responded (ignore function is WONDERFUL) because I see you quoted his post. If other opinions on this board doesn’t “jive” with his thoughts, it’s perceived as negative. Saintfan called it on this clown last year. Meanwhile Dennis, Carmichael will stink it up again in 2023. IMAGINE a Fan Forum, or any situation really, where there is no "***in and moanin" - while dismal season after dismal season rolls on, completely unchecked and accepted. A compliant, complacent, robotic world. Much more negative at its core, than any ***in' and moanin'. leilung, SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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01-23-2023, 05:44 AM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,996 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by blackangold How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints. Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. I'm not defending "anything the Saints do", in fact I've been very vocal in my criticism. I even stated Pete wasn't effective without SP... If you're suggesting the Offensive Coordinator of the last 16 years wasn't designing plays throughout the week then I'm not sure there's much more to debate about because that's just not plausible.