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AsylumGuido 01-29-2023 11:29 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968461)
Coaches contracts are not required to be shared publicly because they are not tied to the cap. Jeff Duncan shared in an interview a couple of days ago that even though Payton's contract was publicly considered to be in the $8-$10 million range he was actually making closer to $17-$18 million with job related endorsement tie ins and such.

SmashMouth 01-29-2023 11:32 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968465)
Coaches contracts are not required to be shared publicly because they are not tied to the cap. Jeff Duncan shared in an interview a couple of days ago that even though Payton's contract was publicly considered to be in the $8-$10 million range he was actually making closer to $17-$18 million with job related endorsement tie ins and such.
We know this... yet nonetheless we have details on many HCs throughout the league. And DA's contract details are a secret... seems rather odd.

halloween 65 01-29-2023 11:36 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968461)
Whatever they're paying the bum is to much. He should be in the unemployment line.

AsylumGuido 01-29-2023 11:42 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968466)
We know this... yet nonetheless we have details on many HCs throughout the league. And DA's contract details are a secret... seems rather odd.
We only have what the head coach's agent chooses to share according to Duncan, not the actual details. He said only the owner, GM, coach himself, and his agent know of the actual details. He also said that what is shared publicly for NFL head coaches is usually greatly understated. That interview was posted somewhere here on B&G. I can't find it now.

Rell&Gold 01-30-2023 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968086)
Maybe... All this focus on RPO QBs leaves little nuggets like Purdy available. That means one needn't gamble a #1, but do proper due diligence. Surely if SF can get it with Mr Irrelevant , so can the Saints. History is rife with real good QBs not taken in the first round. SP was in control previously and made the wrong calls on QBs not named Brees and Mahomes. Maybe Jeff Ireland and DA get an opportunity in 2023 for a similar nugget as Purdy. :bng:
Who were the right calls? Who did we miss out on that would have us legitimately in contention every year?

TheOak 01-30-2023 06:44 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968461)
I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path.

If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through.

My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now.

1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return.
2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently.

There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package :).

A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 07:55 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 968561)
Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.
Really? Where are Belichick's actual contract details? I haven't been able to find them. Can you post your link to those actual open contract details?

How Much Does the Bill Belichick Contract Pay, and How Long Will the Patriots Coach Be In New England?

by Tim Crean
Published on
December 18, 2022

While the money aspect of the Bill Belichick contract has been widely reported, the length of the deal is unknown. There are currently no credible reports as to the number of years on Belichick’s deal, which shouldn’t come as a surprise in regard to the notoriously private coach and organization.

_________________________________________________________


Yes, "widely" reported but how "accurately" reported. As Jeff Duncan said, Payton was actually making $7-$8 annually more than his "reported" salary under his contract with the Saints. But, still, those details are not known.

No NFL coach's contracts are public knowledge. Any details have to be "leaked" by one party or another, either the team or the coach/agent. Nobody else is privy.

SmashMouth 01-30-2023 09:46 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 968561)
I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path.

If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through.

My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now.

1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return.
2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently.

There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package :).

A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.
Thank you for confirming my suspicions... :bng:

This does open up a few more questions, doesn't it?

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 09:52 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968581)
Thank you for confirming my suspicions... :bng:

This does open up a few more questions, doesn't it?
I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it?

It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all.

SmashMouth 01-30-2023 10:07 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 968561)
I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path.

If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through.

My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now.

1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return.
2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently.

There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package :).

A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968583)
I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it?

It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all.
Everything TheOak stated... :popcorn:

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 11:24 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968587)
Everything TheOak stated... :popcorn:
What did he state that has any relevance to what Allen is getting paid? Perhaps you need to spell that out. He made some sort of assumption that Allen isn't under contract and/or he wasn't given a contract when named head coach. Neither of which can be verified.

The Saints did go through a league mandated interview process prior to naming Allen coach last off-season.

Oak stated nothing but totally unsupported personal theories with no basis in fact. I'm still not getting what y'all are trying to get at here? :confused:

Sinner 01-30-2023 12:02 PM
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Everything TheOak stated...

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 12:30 PM
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Still trying to find out those Belichick contract details. Any help there yet, Oak?

I did find this from this past October. Once again, these are not publicly shared details so the accuracy is questionable. Note Dennis Allen in the last grouping with 12 others as "unknown".

Who is the highest paid NFL coach? Full salary list

Top 10 highest-paid NFL coaches

COACHTEAMANNUAL SALARY
1. Sean McVayLos Angeles Rams$15-18 million
2. Bill BelichickNew England Patriots$12.5 million
3. Pete CarrollSeattle Seahawks$11 million
4. Kyle ShanahanSan Francisco 49ers$9.5 million
5. John HarbaughBaltimore Ravens$9 million
6. Franck ReichIndianapolis Colts$9 million
7. Matt RhuleCarolina Panthers$8.5 million
8. Mike TomlinPittsburgh Steelers$8 million
9. Andy ReidKansas City Chiefs$8 million
10. Sean McDermottBuffalo Bills$8 million

COACHTEAMSALARY
Ron RiveraWashington Football Team$7 million
Nick SirianniPhiladelphia Eagles$6-7 million
Kliff KingsburyArizona Cardinals$5.5 million
Matt LaFleurGreen Bay Packers$5 million
Robert SalehNew York Jets$5 million
Zac TaylorCincinnati Bengals$4.5 million
Mike McCarthyDallas Cowboys$4 million
Nathaniel HackettDenver Broncos$4 million
Kevin StefanskiCleveland Browns$4 million

Unknown (13 coaches)

Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans, fifth year ($3 million in 2021)

Brandon Staley, Los Angeles Chargers, second year

Dan Campbell, Detroit Lions, second year

Arthur Smith, Atlanta Falcons, second year

Todd Bowles, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, first year

Dennis Allen, New Orleans Saints, first year

Doug Pederson, Jacksonville Jaguars, first year

Josh McDaniels, Las Vegas Raiders, first year

Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins, first year

Kevin O’Connell, Minnesota Vikings, first year

Matt Eberflus, Chicago Bears, first year

Brian Daboll, New York Giants, first year

Lovie Smith, Houston Texans, first year

UK_WhoDat 01-30-2023 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968437)
............
The question then rears its ugly head, why then was DA indeed chosen as HC under the guise of "continuity"? A little voice in my head, albeit possibly wrong, whispers to me a deal was struck, a secret deal if you will, with SP and Loomis for this very scenario which is unfolding before our very eyes. We may never know... Or will we?
It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time.
But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............

Sinner 01-30-2023 03:13 PM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 968624)
It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time.
But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............
Yeah it looks to be a prolonged, painful stretch then.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 03:28 PM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 968624)
It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time.
But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............
I believe, UK_WhoDat, there was a deal in December 2021 to renew the Superdome lease to the Saints past the previous 2025 date to a period "through 2035, with four five-year extension options through 2055 if the full Superdome renovations are completed."

The $750 million in renovation projects are due to be finished prior to the Saints and New Orleans hosting the 2025 Super Bowl.

mapcow 01-30-2023 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968583)
I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it?

It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all.
there it is right there, guido admits it.....red as a beet :beatnik:

SmashMouth 01-30-2023 03:44 PM
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halloween 65 01-30-2023 04:13 PM
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I'm still pushing the Carr train

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968630)
Nice podcast! Worth the watch.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 968633)
I'm still pushing the Carr train
I could get on that train, halloween. And draft one to develop, as well.

Rugby Saint II 01-30-2023 06:14 PM
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The more I think about it, as disgusting as it is, Aaron Rodgers might be a very good Bridge quarterback if we want to draft the future. That would put an awful lot of capital into the quarterback position but we need to find the quarterback of our future like the teams in the playoffs.

halloween 65 01-30-2023 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968638)
I could get on that train, halloween. And draft one to develop, as well.
I wouldn't use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on one. To many voids. If I'm Loomy I make some trades and bring in younger guys

Sinner 01-30-2023 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 968655)
I wouldn't use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on one. To many voids. If I'm Loomy I make some trades and bring in younger guys
Unfortunately (for you and for us), you're not Loomy, as we're about to find out.

halloween 65 01-30-2023 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 968658)
Unfortunately (for you and for us), you're not Loomy, as we're about to find out.
Very true

SmashMouth 01-30-2023 09:11 PM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 968646)
The more I think about it, as disgusting as it is, Aaron Rodgers might be a very good Bridge quarterback if we want to draft the future. That would put an awful lot of capital into the quarterback position but we need to find the quarterback of our future like the teams in the playoffs.
Why would he even want to come here , come to think of it ?

TheOak 01-31-2023 07:05 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968604)
Perhaps you need to spell that out. :confused:
I'll spell a couple things out.

1. "Details" and "in detail" or "detailed" are not synonymous. "In Detail" or "detailed" means everything is defined, "details" can be any number (2 or above, otherwise it would be "detail") of particular items like the fact that we know Belichick 1. has a contract, and 2 it averages $20MM/year. I will assume your math and spelling are on equal level so that = 2 details.

2. I was fairly clear here when I said "I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path." BUT, you need this spelled out so in the underlined portion I equate evidence of the existence of a Head Coaches contact to commitment and the number of years to how deep that commitment runs. Neither existing = no commitment.

I wholeheartedly commend your efforts to keep your distance from me, I hope you do not discontinue this valiant noteworthy cause, it ranks up there with support for Ukrain. No one owes you clarity, it is your responsibility to pierce your fog of confirmation bias, not the other way around. I encourage you to refrain from replying to this and spend the time that you would have wasted doing so looking up cognitive dissonance, Boomerang effect, and Semmelweis reflex.:bng:

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 08:14 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 968669)
I'll spell a couple things out.

1. "Details" and "in detail" or "detailed" are not synonymous. "In Detail" or "detailed" means everything is defined, "details" can be any number (2 or above, otherwise it would be "detail") of particular items like the fact that we know Belichick 1. has a contract, and 2 it averages $20MM/year. I will assume your math and spelling are on equal level so that = 2 details.

2. I was fairly clear here when I said "I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path." BUT, you need this spelled out so in the underlined portion I equate evidence of the existence of a Head Coaches contact to commitment and the number of years to how deep that commitment runs. Neither existing = no commitment.

I wholeheartedly commend your efforts to keep your distance from me, I hope you do not discontinue this valiant noteworthy cause, it ranks up there with support for Ukrain. No one owes you clarity, it is your responsibility to pierce your fog of confirmation bias, not the other way around. I encourage you to refrain from replying to this and spend the time that you would have wasted doing so looking up cognitive dissonance, Boomerang effect, and Semmelweis reflex.:bng:
1.) "Details" differ on what Belichick "contract" actually pays. While some sources estimate $20 million per annum, many others have it at $12.5 million. And none list the length of the contract. Therefore it doesn't show the length of commitment you wish to see from Loomis contract. So why the comparison or contrast?

2.) If you had read some of the postings about coach's contracts you would have noticed that it is fairly common for no details or very few details to be shared at all so your shaky conclusion of "no commitment" due to no contract or number of years is totally invalid.

But, I guess, as long as you believe it and it makes you happy, then so be it.

Moving on now.

:D

:bng:

neugey 01-31-2023 09:11 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
I need a crystal ball to tell who the "Geno Smith" breakout story could be for 2023-2024. Case Keenum? Taylor Heinicke? Chad Henne?

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 09:18 AM
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By the way, I finally received an answer to a couple of questions concerning Dennis Allen and his head coach contract. Mainly, yes he did get a new contract when being named head coach.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 09:35 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 968655)
I wouldn't use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on one. To many voids. If I'm Loomy I make some trades and bring in younger guys
Looks like the Senior Bowl QB's could be in your target range, halloween.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968662)
Why would he even want to come here , come to think of it ?
Heard this morning that Green Bay will not even be considering a trade of Rodgers to another NFC team.

Rugby Saint II 01-31-2023 10:31 AM
Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968679)
Looks like the Senior Bowl QB's could be in your target range, halloween.
I would suggest looking up the locked on Saints podcast. He is very good at being detailed and how to fix the New Orleans Saints problems. He is looking at quarterbacks in the Senior Bowl and it's definitely worth watching. I'm still a fan of Hendon hooker but I'm open to several of the second day quarterbacks. There are even a few later round quarterbacks that have potential. Fortunately, we have several coaches at the Senior bow where we have over 124 interviews I think.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 968686)
I would suggest looking up the locked on Saints podcast. He is very good at being detailed and how to fix the New Orleans Saints problems. He is looking at quarterbacks in the Senior Bowl and it's definitely worth watching. I'm still a fan of Hendon hooker but I'm open to several of the second day quarterbacks. There are even a few later round quarterbacks that have potential. Fortunately, we have several coaches at the Senior bow where we have over 124 interviews I think.
Yup. Every team is guaranteed an interview with every player in attendance.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 04:34 PM
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CheramieIII 01-31-2023 05:04 PM
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We will draft a QB in the first round after we trade Michael Thomas and we’ll keep Dalton as a backup!

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 968755)
We will draft a QB in the first round after we trade Michael Thomas and we’ll keep Dalton as a backup!
God I hope not! Any QB we can get in the first round won't be ready to try to start and I don't want Dalton anywhere near the ball wearing a Saints uniform again. :(

darksoul35 01-31-2023 08:06 PM
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I hear you on that. If he is on this roster he will probably start.

neugey 01-31-2023 08:30 PM
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I have really good feelings about DTR.


But ugh ... after Book I promised I wasn't going to do this again. Dang it. Take my advice with a large grain of salt.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 968786)
I have really good feelings about DTR.

Dorian Thompson Robinson || UCLA Bruins Quarterback || 2022 Senior Highlights - YouTube

But ugh ... after Book I promised I wasn't going to do this again. Dang it. Take my advice with a large grain of salt.
We'll talk you off that ledge, neugey. LOL! Just don't rush into any jersey purchases. ;)


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