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Clayton Tune Hendon Hooker Jarren Hall I like as potential starters type of deal I don't trust none of the available QBs that are veterans to be too much different from Dalton. I believe they run it back with him fully healthy cheap and see what happens. And the Kid from Shepered University my uncle coached there and played I seen him play he chose to go back to Shepherd instead of transferring out. He could be "small school prospect" with alot if potential. Joe Montana and John Kuhn played in the same division/conference as Shepherd random WV facts.

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...zach-wilson-2/

:popcorn:

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Zach is already approaching BUST material.

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Any team can almost always sign any player who is available to them under the salary cap if they move enough money around. But moving that money around requires restructuring others players contracts, which gives those other players more guaranteed money and more dead cap costs if cut in the next couple years. That in turn reduces roster flexibility, if you can't cut a player who underperforms or doesn't fit the system because the cost is too much, you can't take the money you were spending on that player and go get another who has been delivering the type of performance you would be paying for or who may better fit your system. So yes, you can go get DeShaun Watson who did a bunch of crimes or Derek Carr who your 7-10 team shut out. But the team you build around them will be Andrus Peat and Michael Thomas and their big TE receiving threat will be a 30 something backup QB who can't even keep track of other people running routes.

I think we should spend big this offseason but I think what we should spend on is our future. I think we should spend on our future by making pre-June 1 biggest cap hit now cuts of non-productive players so we can have the cash to spend on big free agents in a future offseason without having to restructure and give big guarantees and future dollars to our sketchiest players.

Say we could get Maholmes this year somehow. Obviously tempting but I am not even sure that would be good if we had to sell our salary cap souls to do it. If we had to restructure the contracts of Andrus Peat, Taysom Hill, Alvin Kamara, and Michael Thomas so that absolutely Peat would have to remain part of Maholmes starting offensive line for 5 years, Kamara would have to play to 35 with a big cap number, Hill would have to be our starting TE and the new Travis Kelce for Maholmes, and we would have to count on Michael Thomas as our #1 WR (say that Olave would be be part of the trade for Maholmes). It would be great to get Maholmes but do you think we would get a ring if we could never move on from all these bad contracts? The Chiefs can't win most years with Kelce and Reid, we are not winning with Hill and Allen.

The best money we can spend this offseason is the money to front load or escape these contracts not backload and make them inescapable. To clean up our cap. So then in the future when we get that big name, we won't have to wreck our ability to build around them by committing 2024-2028 dollars to a bunch of players who are already becoming liabilities or surely will soon given their age and issues.

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Don’t know much about him. But he’s on the right track with that number.

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I don’t trust anyone’s opinion that does not use punctuation correctly and has 3rd grade grammar mistakes. Carr is the man and will be our next QB

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I don't judge Somebody by their use of grammar but more along the lines of what they have to say. I do agree with you that posts are easier to read when they have proper punctuation and make much better sense.

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Starting to hear rumors of Mac Jones becoming available ?

Should we?

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Not at all.

If Belichick and his staff can’t coach him up, the Saints coaches
sure as hell can’t.

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Andy Daltonish

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My boy! We might have to take him in the 1st! He's getting popular!

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+1. Apparently he's on track (health) for the start of training camp.

If the Saints feel as though he's your guy, just take him @ 29. I tend to think we need to beef up the interior D line but wouldn't hate QB as the pick.

Hooker could flop OR end up as the next franchise QB.

IMO he'll be there in the 2nd round but what the hell do I know? I'm just an above-average couch coach :p

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I'm right there with you. It's time we take a QB in the first.

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I want the TE from Georgia as well.

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I can live with that IF we don't fill the position in free agency. If we do then I feel we should use all of our higher picks for impact players to fill holes.

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With McKee gaining in popularity as well, methinks he'll be there at both 29 and 40, but not later. And yes, we do need a TE.

I have been redoing mocks, and the results show McKee moving up the charts. Not sure he is worthy. But one can't argue with his stature, Ben Roethlisbberger-esque. Seems to read quickly too.

What say you... Hooker or Big Ben part deux?

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I'm much higher on Hooker. I believe McKee is climbing boards because of his size, but he's always thrown half as many picks as he has TDs, he's never thrown for more than 15 TD's in a college season, and he's relatively immobile in an NFL where you have to be able to move at least a little bit. Hooker is the much better prospect in my opinion.

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Let me say this, if I was an NFL team and Hooker never got hurt last year, I'm taking #1 overall. Either him or CJ Stroud.

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Let's not forget that those mocks are being done by people that know little to nothing about these players. Tim's brother's wife's hairdresser's cousin, Simon, said he heard McKee likes the color blue. Tennessee picks him in Tim's mock in the second round. :D

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I'm beginning to wonder if he would be there at pick number 40. I would hate to not pick him in the first round and then miss on the 5th year option if he's good. But would we need to move up in the second round to get him? That's what worries me. Throwing away more draft picks.

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Big Ben College stats

Tanner McKee college stats

Big Ben's last year was way better, obviously. Other than that pretty similar numbers. Tanner didn't play much his first year. So maybe it could be analyzed as getting Tanner on the cheap since it's year three of Big Ben that elevated him.

Stroud feels like yet another Ohio St QB bust waiting to happen. He has real good WRs making him look way better than he actually is , IMHO.
Ohio St tries to claim BDJ. But they (Urban Meyer) whiffed on him.

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Sometimes you just never know what you'll get at QB (1st round) but at some point, you just gotta trust your scouts & take a chance.

I remember some of these so-called "experts" were labeling Patrick Mahomes as the next Jay Cutler coming out of college.

Ha !.

If the tools are there, coach em up :bng:.

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I don't really see the similarities between McKee and Big Ben personally. I think he's more Brock Osweiler or Mike Glennon than Big Ben.

As far as Stroud, I can understand the apprehension. He's definitely surrounded by a lot of talent, but the kid is gifted. I would have loved to have seen him here under Sean Payton.

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Even in the 7th round as SF did last year...

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Purdy lucked into a system with three matchup nightmares on offense and one of the very best defenses in the league. He wasn't asked to do any more than not screw up. He did no more than what Bridgewater did for the Saints when he filled in. I just heard they postponed his elbow surgery until March today. They don't even know if it is going to take full reconstruction which has ended more than a few careers.

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Not a fan, but ...

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Coach KMajor has already ruled on the matter, long ago... it's old news now. :D

It's just Underhill trying to generate clicks for his paid content... so he can pay Triplett his salary. Maybe Underhill is lurking BnG for new stories?

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Consider this.

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But were they in cap Hell as well?

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Dude gives no reason or valid argument... just says it's crap. WTF.

Brees cap busting compensation definitely handcuffed the Saints for many years. Cap is way bigger now which makes it easier. However, the push to pay average QB absurd $ is just that, absurd and crazy, even if one tries to say "it is what it is" !

I may be wrong, but I think a shift has already begun to change/alter the percentage make up of teams on how compensation is handled for all position groups.

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Actually, all three are in cap related hell by some person's definition, Rugs.

Tampa Bay 2020-21 Champs with Brady - currently most over the cap
Rams 2021-22 Champs with Stafford - purged most of their talent
Chiefs 2022-23 Champs with Mahomes - QB counts $49.763 million against the 2023 cap - $98.83 million dead cap number - Only $526K in 2023 cap space curently

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More and more teams are shifting to the Saints model of contract construction. Mahomes ten year deal is structured with huge roster bonuses every year which are designed to be converted to signing bonuses and prorated annually. In other words, kicking that can down the road as some that do not understand the principle commonly call it.

YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	ROSTER	WORKOUT	RESTRUCTURE	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2020	Contract details by year	25	$825,000	$4,521,508	-	-	-	$5,346,508	$64,953,413
$10,926,636
($10,926,636)
2021	Contract details by year	26	$990,000	$2,000,000	-	$100,000	$4,343,381	$7,433,381	$99,506,905
$22,806,905
($33,733,541)
2022	Contract details by year	27	$1,500,000	$2,000,000	$27,400,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$35,793,381	$130,673,524
$31,950,000
($65,683,541)
2023	Contract details by year	28	$5,500,000	$2,000,000	$34,400,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$46,793,381	$94,880,143
$40,450,000
($106,133,541)
2024	Contract details by year	29	$2,500,000	$2,000,000	$34,900,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$44,293,381	$48,636,762
$37,950,000
($144,083,541)
2025	Contract details by year	30	$2,500,000	-	$38,900,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$46,293,381	$4,343,381
$41,950,000
($186,033,541)
2026	Contract details by year	31	$2,500,000	-	$38,900,000	$550,000	-	$41,950,000	-
$41,950,000
($227,983,541)
2027	Contract details by year	32	$10,000,000	-	$49,400,000	$550,000	-	$59,950,000	-
$59,950,000
($287,933,541)
2028	Contract details by year	33	$13,000,000	-	$30,900,000	$550,000	-	$44,450,000	-
$44,450,000
($332,383,541)
2029	Contract details by year	34	$20,500,000	-	$23,900,000	$550,000	-	$44,950,000	-
$44,950,000
($377,333,541)
2030	Contract details by year	35	$27,000,000	-	$22,900,000	$550,000	-	$50,450,000	-
$50,450,000
($427,783,541)
2031	Contract details by year	36	$38,000,000	-	$13,900,000	$550,000	-	$52,450,000	-
$52,450,000
($480,233,541)
2032	Free Agent Year	37
UFA

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Kai Harley and .Mickey Loomis are truly innovators. It's too bad that we've had to lose good players because we simply could not afford to keep them and still paid the contract while they were playing on another team. I know that the cap keeps going up and that we are playing with future money now but eventually the bill will come due. I just wonder what we will have to show for it?

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Who are all of those good players we lost because we couldn't pay them and still paid the contract while they were on other teams? Teams release or do not resign players all the time hoping to replace them for less costly options. That's the nature of the entire NFL, not just the Saints.

Rugs, the Saints have been using this accounting method for almost two decades. If the bill was going to show up wouldn't you think it already would have done so well before now? :confused:

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Pretty much the expected range. Quickly approaching the average going rate for a vet.