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AsylumGuido 01-19-2023 06:27 PM

What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 
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As Nick says ...

People can argue about coaches and coordinators, assign blame here or there and debate what should or shouldn’t happen next, but nothing is going to matter this offseason unless the Saints find a solution at quarterback.

What is the answer for the most important position on the roster?

Sinner 01-19-2023 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967938)
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https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...26828468756480

As Nick says ...

People can argue about coaches and coordinators, assign blame here or there and debate what should or shouldn’t happen next, but nothing is going to matter this offseason unless the Saints find a solution at quarterback.

What is the answer for the most important position on the roster?

As you repeatedly say, "The Fans have ZERO affect on any of this." Neither does Nick Underhill. So why would you distribute more and more Kool-Aid, laced with a hallucinogen? There is NO ARGUMENT about our coaches and coordinators. They have proven that they suck. PERIOD.

AsylumGuido 01-19-2023 06:39 PM

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I think we can all agree that Andy Dalton isn't an answer. Or at least I hope we can.

Do we give Winston another shot coming in healthy?

Do we look do trade for someone like Carr? Lamar?

Do we take our new found draft picks and trade up and spend the wad on a rookie and throw him out there day one?

Sinner 01-19-2023 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967942)
I think we can all agree that Andy Dalton isn't an answer. Or at least I hope we can.

Do we give Winston another shot coming in healthy?

Do we look do trade for someone like Carr? Lamar?

Do we take our new found drat picks and trade up and spend the wad on a rookie and throw him out there day one?

"We" don't do anything, but sit back and watch what happens (or more importantly) what doesn't happen.

SmashMouth 01-19-2023 09:52 PM

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Draft a QB like Purdy!

BakoSaint 01-19-2023 10:25 PM

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Stand our ground in the draft or only trade up a little not some disaster trey lance or rg3 type trade. Draft a qb to develoo and hope to find the next jackson, hurts, or purdy. Start Dalton or Watson or someone else cheap day 1. Give the young qb time to develop. We are not a carr away from a ring and giving jackson a megadeal would be bad long term, it would cost too many picks and too much guaranteed money and running qbs dont age well. Plus we dont have the cap for jackson without hanstringing our ability to keep out younger talent for years to come.

SmashMouth 01-19-2023 11:56 PM

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It's too late for this dude.

https://youtube.com/shorts/sUeVD5cznac?feature=share

cmike 01-20-2023 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 967963)

We’d avg 2 sacks per drive.

saintsfan1976 01-20-2023 04:59 AM

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I think it somewhat depends on what comes from the eventual SP trade.

Will we have enough draft capital to acquire a potential franchise QB this year?

I'm not convinced that any current FA QB will fill the void for any significant amount of time.

Aside from that, do you make a play for Lance or Love?

AsylumGuido 01-20-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967966)
I think it somewhat depends on what comes from the eventual SP trade.

Will we have enough draft capital to acquire a potential franchise QB this year?

I'm not convinced that any current FA QB will fill the void for any significant amount of time.

Aside from that, do you make a play for Lance or Love?

I think therein lies the biggest problem. How do you ever know if that player will ever become a franchise QB?

I think I'd almost rather use our higher draft capital on players at other positions that have better chance of contributing fairly soon, find some decent bridge QB, and draft mid-round types and hope one pans out at QB. Problem is that might takes years to hit, but at least you be building at other positions along the way.

turbo_dog 01-20-2023 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cmike (Post 967964)
We’d avg 2 sacks per drive.

I think he played for the Giants for a few seasons.

neugey 01-20-2023 09:27 AM

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Draft 2 or more QB's this year.

K Major 01-20-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 967957)
Draft a QB like Purdy!

Did the scouts "miss" on their reporting of Purdy or is it Shanahan's/Niners system?

I like what I've seen from Brock, but have you noticed how the Niners can get more out of 2nd tier QBs over the years?

IMO Kyle Shanahan is arguably the top 1, or 2 signal caller in the game.

FinSaint 01-20-2023 12:07 PM

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At the moment I wouldn't be crushed if the Saints were to try and accumulate more and better picks for future drafts while tanking the season.

Naturally I hope for success, but I feel like a rebuild is necessary for another championship.

SmashMouth 01-20-2023 12:21 PM

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It's really not that complicated. Yeah, in some cases it takes time to develop a QB, but in reality, either they have it or not. Much of the ability resides between the ears when reaching the professional level. Whiners may have lucked out with Purdy, or did they? Just like SP knew with Mahomes, proper evaluation could go a long way.

AsylumGuido 01-21-2023 12:26 PM

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Is Carr still in play?



neugey 01-21-2023 12:34 PM

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I love Carr's leadership and mettle, but his price tag scares the crap out of me.

voodooido 01-21-2023 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967942)
I think we can all agree that Andy Dalton isn't an answer. Or at least I hope we can.

Do we give Winston another shot coming in healthy?

Do we look do trade for someone like Carr? Lamar?

Do we take our new found draft picks and trade up and spend the wad on a rookie and throw him out there day one?

Care will be on the block for sure. Might be able to get him for a 3rd

K Major 01-21-2023 02:54 PM

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Carr ? With Pete Carmichael and co still running the offense :rolleyes:? ... Meh.

I'm in the minority here but I'd prefer to see what a HEALTHY JWinston could do. He's probably gone but the guy is still under contract for this year.

The Saints need to refocus on going young & try to find a stud on a cheap rookie deal and get out of the red with the cap.

AsylumGuido 01-21-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968035)
Carr ? With Pete Carmichael and co still running the offense :rolleyes:? ... Meh.

I'm in the minority here but I'd prefer to see what a HEALTHY JWinston could do. He's probably gone but the guy is still under contract for this year.

The Saints need to refocus on going young & try to find a stud on a cheap rookie deal and get out of the red with the cap.

Well, then I'm in the minority, too. I doubt we can bring in an elite free agent QB so whatever we do have is going to be a bridge, at least, until a draftee develops, so I am completely on board to see Winston handle things for the year. Who knows, he could surprise and be the long term answer. His price is right and he's already under contract.

voodooido 01-22-2023 05:09 AM

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Daniel jones would be my first pick. Then probably Jimmy G. Maybe max jones, white or rod gets could be up for trade. Any of the above would be a huge upgrade.

CheramieIII 01-22-2023 11:00 AM

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Trade Thomas and use the pick along with the pick for Payton and trade up to get Bruce Young!

stickman 01-22-2023 11:27 AM

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I think the current coaching staff has lost faith in Winston or we would have seen more of him this season. Dalton is at best, serviceable. He's past his prime. Not sure how I feel about Carr and he might cost too much. Jimmy G for the right price.

Just my 2cents. Discussion is why this board exists.

K Major 01-22-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 968052)
Daniel jones would be my first pick. .

I think Brian Daboll has gotten all he can out of Jones.

Don’t see much of an upgrade, not to mention he’s a turnover machine.

SmashMouth 01-22-2023 02:33 PM

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Can an argument be made that the 2024 QB class is far better than the 2023 class?

AsylumGuido 01-22-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968078)
Can an argument be made that the 2024 QB class is far better than the 2023 class?

Can you really tell until they actually play in the NFL? That's what makes it so difficult. How much do you gamble on that position while passing on other positions that may be more predictable.

SmashMouth 01-22-2023 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968082)
Can you really tell until they actually play in the NFL? That's what makes it so difficult. How much do you gamble on that position while passing on other positions that may be more predictable.

Maybe... All this focus on RPO QBs leaves little nuggets like Purdy available. That means one needn't gamble a #1, but do proper due diligence. Surely if SF can get it with Mr Irrelevant , so can the Saints. History is rife with real good QBs not taken in the first round. SP was in control previously and made the wrong calls on QBs not named Brees and Mahomes. Maybe Jeff Ireland and DA get an opportunity in 2023 for a similar nugget as Purdy. :bng:

rezburna 01-22-2023 05:13 PM

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C.J. Stroud
Hendon Hooker
Best Player Available

SmashMouth 01-22-2023 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 968095)
C.J. Stroud
Hendon Hooker
Best Player Available

Not convinced Stroud can read fast enough at the next level . We have one of them already.

AsylumGuido 01-22-2023 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968103)
Not convinced Stroud can read fast enough at the next level . We have one of them already.

Seeing Dalton's single reads and throw away I can agree to that. Not sure about Stroud, though. Really haven't seen him play at all.

SmashMouth 01-22-2023 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968105)
Seeing Dalton's single reads and throw away I can agree to that. Not sure about Stroud, though. Really haven't seen him play at all.

At least he's better than Jameis with reads.

Purdy is looking "Purdy" good ! Looks way poised and unrattled, no matrer the pressure.

K Major 01-22-2023 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968107)

Purdy is looking "Purdy" good ! Looks way poised and unrattled, no matrer the pressure.

Agreed. Purdy played well. No mistakes. Good for him.

Glad I won't have to listen to the Dallas Superbowl nonsense on the airways any longer.

That Niners defense is legit though.

Sinner 01-22-2023 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968108)
Agreed. Purdy played well. No mistakes. Good for him.

Glad I won't have to listen to the Dallas Superbowl nonsense on the airways any longer.

That Niners defense is legit though.


Cue Stephen A. Smith's Laughter...

SmashMouth 01-22-2023 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 968111)
Cue Stephen A. Smith's Laughter...


SmashMouth 01-22-2023 10:12 PM

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rezburna 01-23-2023 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968103)
Not convinced Stroud can read fast enough at the next level . We have one of them already.

What makes you think he reads slow? I believe he was one of the better QB's at not taking sacks. Combine that with 41 passing TDs and only 6 INTs and I'm not really sure how we jump to that conclusion.

I do like Purdy, but my gut tells me he's a game manager on a team that's QB friendly. Excellent running game. Excellent defense. Excellent play designs. Excellent WR's. Excellent TE. Excellent offensive line. Excellent head coach. It's almost plug and play in SF.

rezburna 01-23-2023 11:03 AM

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My mind says #12. My heart says give me my boy Lamar!

AsylumGuido 01-23-2023 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 968137)
What makes you think he reads slow? I believe he was one of the better QB's at not taking sacks. Combine that with 41 passing TDs and only 6 INTs and I'm not really sure how we jump to that conclusion.

I do like Purdy, but my gut tells me he's a game manager on a team that's QB friendly. Excellent running game. Excellent defense. Excellent play designs. Excellent WR's. Excellent TE. Excellent offensive line. Excellent head coach. It's almost plug and play in SF.

Purdy actually reminds me of Gardner Minshew.

K Major 01-23-2023 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 968139)
My mind says #12. My heart says give me my boy Lamar!

I think the Ravens will place the franchise tag on LJ.

rezburna 01-23-2023 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968143)
I think the Ravens will place the franchise tag on LJ.

They better do something. If he hits free agency he's out of there. Somebody is going to back up the Brink's truck.


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