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AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 10:59 AM

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Several interesting QB scenarios from Kat Terrell in this article.


K Major 02-01-2023 11:12 AM

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The Saints should have upgraded at the OC position this off-season :rolleyes: .

When you call LESS than (<) 20 half back screens to a stud RB named Alvin Kamara ALL-SEASON, your decision-making ability & job needs to be in question.

The Saints ranked at the bottom half in most offensive categories. Yeah, let's bring back Pete Carmichael.

Winning starts at the top.

Offensive stats 2022

CheramieIII 02-01-2023 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968758)
God I hope not! Any QB we can get in the first round won't be ready to try to start and I don't want Dalton anywhere near the ball wearing a Saints uniform again. :(

AG, I really think Young will develop quickly! Dalton should be kept over Winston IMO or go out and get another veteran backup, but Dalton knows a lot about the offense already!

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 968844)
AG, I really think Young will develop quickly! Dalton should be kept over Winston IMO or go out and get another veteran backup, but Dalton knows a lot about the offense already!

There's no way we have enough draft capital to trade up high enough to get Young. He's projected to be a top 3 pick. We could probably package every pick we have from this season and the next value wise and not be able to move up that high.

I'm not saying I wouldn't love to have Young, I just think it is impossible.

Rugby Saint II 02-01-2023 11:46 AM

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Hopefully, Mickey Loomis will go get us a Hooker. That would make an awful lot of us happy. :p

SmashMouth 02-01-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 968849)
Hopefully, Mickey Loomis will go get us a Hooker. That would make an awful lot of us happy. :p

His hands are among the biggest, whatever that means.

https://i.imgur.com/la6C8kW.jpg

SmashMouth 02-01-2023 03:50 PM

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Garoppolo?

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968901)

He spends more time hurt that Peat. :D

halloween 65 02-01-2023 04:14 PM

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Grayson McCall just check out his stats. He sits a year and then takes over.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 968906)
Grayson McCall just check out his stats. He sits a year and then takes over.

Why not? Nothing to lose. Sounds like he'll be around on the third day.

SmashMouth 02-01-2023 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 968906)
Grayson McCall just check out his stats. He sits a year and then takes over.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968908)
Why not? Nothing to lose. Sounds like he'll be around on the third day.

Link?

turbo_dog 02-01-2023 08:57 PM

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You think Herndon Hooker will be available at 29?

SmashMouth 02-01-2023 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 968927)
You think Herndon Hooker will be available at 29?

We don't really know for sure... But probably even early second round, ours at #40.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968913)
Link?

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...grayson-mccall

Coastal Carolina

Decent stats, but you have to consider they are versus SunBelt competition.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 968927)
You think Herndon Hooker will be available at 29?

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968930)
We don't really know for sure... But probably even early second round, ours at #40.

It seems like fans and mock drafters have been overvaluing QB recently.

In 2020 there were only four QB's taken before the 122nd pick.

2021 looked better with five taken in the first round.

But in 2022 only one QB was taken in the first 73 picks. Only five before Sam Howell in the 5th round with pick 144.

Hooker could easily make pick #40.

SmashMouth 02-02-2023 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968938)
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...grayson-mccall

Coastal Carolina

Decent stats, but you have to consider they are versus SunBelt competition.

Agreed... Tulane players have the same grain of salt. But I'd still get their RB. Maybe we can get McCall in the later rounds.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968942)
Agreed... Tulane players have the same grain of salt. But I'd still get their RB. Maybe we can get McCall in the later rounds.

I saw where he was projected in the 5-7 round range. That's worth a flyer. Why not? The chances of bombing out on a QB is fairly high whenever they are taken. That would be my only concern about Hooker. If he doesn't pan out it would be a much more valuable pick wasted.

vpheughan 02-02-2023 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968938)
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...grayson-mccall

Coastal Carolina

Decent stats, but you have to consider they are versus SunBelt competition.

Could snag the Saints another Tyler Thigpen!!

SmashMouth 02-02-2023 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968946)
I saw where he was projected in the 5-7 round range. That's worth a flyer. Why not? The chances of bombing out on a QB is fairly high whenever they are taken. That would be my only concern about Hooker. If he doesn't pan out it would be a much more valuable pick wasted.

Not opposed to taking Hooker and another QB like him in the later rounds.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968956)
Not opposed to taking Hooker and another QB like him in the later rounds.

I can live with that. Keep Winston around as the bridge on his existing contract.

K Major 02-02-2023 10:19 AM

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Read an interesting take on Hooker:

Negatives:

Over-aged; will be 25 years old by draft day. Torn ACL will likely influence draft stock. Scheme isn’t the most complex or pro-style; completion percentage is somewhat padded by a lot of quick, predetermined throws (swings, screens), as well as slants and crosses over the middle of the field. Didn’t take snaps from under center during the games reviewed. Had a lot of time to operate behind clean pockets with wide receivers projected to go high on draft day. Too many uncatchable balls on routine throws like screens and shorter throws over the middle of the field. Takes some risks on shots down the sidelines; can stare down targets, and placement is iffy, typically letting passes sail but sometimes underthrowing receivers. Would like to see him protect his body a little bit more consistently when running.

Projection: Round 3

If he falls that far (Day 2/3), I'd definitely take a flyer.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 11:23 AM

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LivnaLieTimay 02-02-2023 11:41 AM

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If you look at the drafts over the last 5-6 years it is very rare for good QBs to fall outside the first round. This is because scouting is way better and you are seeing more elements from the college game in the NFL so it’s easier to project QBs. Of course there are busts in the first round but if you want a good QB you pretty much need to take one in the 1st round.

Jalen Hurts is the only QB to come into the league in this time frame that I would say is good (jury is still out on Purdy). So with this information I don’t think the Saints should take a QB in the draft. Build your roster with BPA and next year when we have a 1st round pick that presumably will be mid round or better then go for a young QB.

I don’t think the long term solution to QB is going to happen this offseason. You can’t make dumb decisions to get a QB just because you need one, that isn’t going to work out. We can’t keep restructuring contracts because it’s hurting our future and we aren’t winning now so guys like Jimmy G and Carr are out in my book. I’d bring in a veteran on a 1 year deal (maybe Dalton again) and get the cap in a better spot and strengthen other positions in the draft.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 968980)
If you look at the drafts over the last 5-6 years it is very rare for good QBs to fall outside the first round. This is because scouting is way better and you are seeing more elements from the college game in the NFL so it’s easier to project QBs. Of course there are busts in the first round but if you want a good QB you pretty much need to take one in the 1st round.

Jalen Hurts is the only QB to come into the league in this time frame that I would say is good (jury is still out on Purdy). So with this information I don’t think the Saints should take a QB in the draft. Build your roster with BPA and next year when we have a 1st round pick that presumably will be mid round or better then go for a young QB.

I don’t think the long term solution to QB is going to happen this offseason. You can’t make dumb decisions to get a QB just because you need one, that isn’t going to work out. We can’t keep restructuring contracts because it’s hurting our future and we aren’t winning now so guys like Jimmy G and Carr are out in my book. I’d bring in a veteran on a 1 year deal (maybe Dalton again) and get the cap in a better spot and strengthen other positions in the draft.

I can agree with much of that. I'd still be very open to taking a flyer, however, on a QB later in the draft. While chances are they wouldn't develop into a starter it's still worth a shot. They could end up being a decent backup. If nothing else you need a third QB on your roster, if for nothing else, practices. A late rounder is a cheap option for that purpose, at worst.

SmashMouth 02-02-2023 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968967)
Read an interesting take on Hooker:

Negatives:

Over-aged; will be 25 years old by draft day. Torn ACL will likely influence draft stock. Scheme isn’t the most complex or pro-style; completion percentage is somewhat padded by a lot of quick, predetermined throws (swings, screens), as well as slants and crosses over the middle of the field. Didn’t take snaps from under center during the games reviewed. Had a lot of time to operate behind clean pockets with wide receivers projected to go high on draft day. Too many uncatchable balls on routine throws like screens and shorter throws over the middle of the field. Takes some risks on shots down the sidelines; can stare down targets, and placement is iffy, typically letting passes sail but sometimes underthrowing receivers. Would like to see him protect his body a little bit more consistently when running.

Projection: Round 3

If he falls that far (Day 2/3), I'd definitely take a flyer.

Most mocks don't have him falling into the 3rd.

K Major 02-02-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968988)
Most mocks don't have him falling into the 3rd.

Well he's days off crunches, not running yet and won't be ready for his late March pro day. At this point, no one really knows.

2nd to early 3rd round is my guess.

Hooker draft analysis.

K Major 02-02-2023 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 968927)
You think Herndon Hooker will be available at 29?

Absolutely.

He's not getting drafted in Rd 1 while rehabbing a torn ACL. Especially at the QB position.

FinSaint 02-02-2023 12:41 PM

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I hope they just continue to inject new talent into the roster via the draft while potentially waiting a year for the next franchise QB.

Use the 1st round pick on the best interior lineman on either side of the ball or on a RB/DB.

I wouldn't mind going with Winston and Hill under center for next season.

Just don't make any splash signings and try to reduce bad contracts in any way possible.

SmashMouth 02-02-2023 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968991)
Well he's days off crunches, not running yet and won't be ready for his late March pro day. At this point, no one really knows.

2nd to early 3rd round is my guess.

Hooker draft analysis.

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968994)
Absolutely.

He's not getting drafted in Rd 1 while rehabbing a torn ACL. Especially at the QB position.

Hope he's there in the later rounds other than a 2nd.

The kid from Coastal Carolina and the one from Stanford are intriguing prospects.

LivnaLieTimay 02-02-2023 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968967)
Read an interesting take on Hooker:

Negatives:

Over-aged; will be 25 years old by draft day. Torn ACL will likely influence draft stock. Scheme isn’t the most complex or pro-style; completion percentage is somewhat padded by a lot of quick, predetermined throws (swings, screens), as well as slants and crosses over the middle of the field. Didn’t take snaps from under center during the games reviewed. Had a lot of time to operate behind clean pockets with wide receivers projected to go high on draft day. Too many uncatchable balls on routine throws like screens and shorter throws over the middle of the field. Takes some risks on shots down the sidelines; can stare down targets, and placement is iffy, typically letting passes sail but sometimes underthrowing receivers. Would like to see him protect his body a little bit more consistently when running.

Projection: Round 3

If he falls that far (Day 2/3), I'd definitely take a flyer.

Yikes. So in other words, everything you want in an NFL quarterback he does poorly 😂

Pete 02-02-2023 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 969012)
Yikes. So in other words, everything you want in an NFL quarterback he does poorly 😂


😂😂😂

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 01:33 PM

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AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 07:11 PM

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Our next QB? :rofl:


voodooido 02-02-2023 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969033)

I pray. This guy will be #1 on the market.

SmashMouth 02-03-2023 03:24 PM

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FinSaint 02-03-2023 04:35 PM

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If they are truly are committed to getting their salary budget in a better state - they should just go with Winston and Hill at QB as they are both under contract.

2023 should really be a rebuilding year for future success not a retooling one to further mortgage the future.

SmashMouth 02-03-2023 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 969082)
If they are truly are committed to getting their salary budget in a better state - they should just go with Winston and Hill at QB as they are both under contract.

2023 should really be a rebuilding year for future success not a retooling one to further mortgage the future.

Agreed... and draft a developmental prospect. Never know, sans SP, maybe we draft a better QB prospect.

AsylumGuido 02-03-2023 06:40 PM

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SmashMouth 02-04-2023 10:51 AM

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Since the J-E-T-S are the Saints defactor farm team, Zach Wilson may be in play, after they cut him of course. With our recent success with Vilma and Davis, and I guess you can now count Geno Smith now with the Seahawks. Never know.

The only negative is that he might date someone's mom here. Or is that even a negative?!? :bng:

K Major 02-04-2023 10:56 AM

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lol ^^

Smash you are wild!


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