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Tanner McKee is fool’s gold. Brock Osweiler all over again. Nick Foles at best.

Baker Mayfield has horrible pocket presence and would take sack after sack behind our line.

If we can’t get Carr then just go Jameis or Taysom. If we try Jameis again go Hooker. If we try Taysom change the entire offensive scheme and try to get Richardson.

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You had me until Jamarcus Russell 2.0 !!!
:confused:
:jkool:

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Any free agent we get, QB or other position, isn't going to be much of a cap hit in 2023. Loomis can easily structure the deals so that the 2023 hits are minimal.

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Maybe? If we don't land Carr, as I said earlier Mayfield wouldn't be a bad option. My argument would be. He's still young, keeps his head down in the study room, coachable, gunslinger, can and able to make all the throws, will come cheap, fits what Allen wants to do to a tee, can read D's and make adjustments, started a lot of games, don't make excusses, a team player. He may not be the fastest but more than capable of running. The guys may not be the most athletic dude in the world but given an O-line to protect him, good rb.'s, and a good TE to go with the WR's we already have + add one, he'll be fine. Guys we might never have another qb, like Brees or Manning just the way it is. But we can have an above the top game manager that can sling the ball around when needed and Mayfield is just that.

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I somewhat agree with Matt on his take. The Saints want DCarr however he may not want the Saints as much.

Jets, Houston, TB, Carolina, Saints are all QB needy teams & his camp could be hoping to drive up the price.

Saints need to draw a line on compensation and stick to it.

Just pick a team dude :rolleyes:. There needs to be a solid Plan B in place though.

Long-term outlook, the Saints need to find their next QB in the draft.

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I think JW's time is all but up in NO. Dennis Allen has given no indication that he will be a part of that QB room for 2023.

But I too want Hooker from this draft class :bng:

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Roll with who's on the roster , mebbe even bring in Mayfield on the cheap, and go get Hooker AND another in late round pick like the Fresno QB. Let's see who wins out.

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Is Baker an upgrade over Dalton though? But I totally get it from the frugality perspective.

The Saints need to get this cap in order & roll with the younger guys.

2023 is going to be a serious challenge with or without DCarr under center.

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He just might be. He shouldn't costs as much, however.

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Baker is more talented than Dalton but his pocket presence is some of the worse I’ve seen. When you’re that short you need to either be a tremendous athlete (early Russell Wilson) or a genius (Drew Brees). If we can’t get Carr and we’re just looking for a guy to hold us over until our rookie is ready then I would just go get Jacoby Brisset or stick with Winston.

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Agree, except with the Winston part.

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If DCarr signs with us great, if he doesn't great.

Go listen to Matt's (post #255) recent take on After Further Review ... get(draft) a QB on a rookie deal & reset.

Don't overpay for mediocrity.

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Amen... Preach it K

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It’s crazy watching how even the media has jumped on the bandwagon for Hooker. I feel like I started this. 😏😂

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But what happens in 2024? What happens if that QB is a bust and has tons of guaranteed money and even their non-guaranteed money is effectively guaranteed because 'it's cheaper to keep them than cut them' because the 2024 cap hit will be $35 million but the dead money to cut will be $70 million.

We need to get younger. We need to fix the cap. The problem with the cap is not that we can't add one player we really need to add. The problem with the cap is that we are more than one player away, and we can't subtract cancers and dead weight that we really need to cut, because we can't afford to double the cap hit with a cut when we rely on halving it ever season with a restructure that makes the cap hit and dead money even bigger the next season.

My take is that Carr is a good but not great QB. Good but not great QBs often don't maintain their performance in the second half of their careers like many great QBs recently have. Carr to me is a Bledsoe, Brooks, Delhomme, Goff, Dalton, Hasselbeck, Jones, Wentz, Foles, Garappalo, Cousins, Smith, etc. Most of those guys made pro bowls. But many declined in the second half of their careers. At best I feel like Carr is a Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers type.

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NeauxFW... better broad jump and vertical jump than Mahomes.. in combine history?

Doesn't matter if he can't play QB. Maybe it matters for a WR?

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Athletically gifted but his tape says he’s a project @ QB.

It only takes one team to believe in his talent but I don’t see 1st rd traits.

IMO Hooker is a much better prospect.

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People said exactly the same things about Lamar Jackson who earned a unanimous MVP at QB. Go figure.

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The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up.

69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years

Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years.

I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year.

The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do.

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Yup. No telling. Never saw him play a snap. I was just commenting that I heard the exact same comments about Jackson of whom I had never seen play a snap.

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So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker :D ?

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Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

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If he's there and he's our guy, I wouldn't be annoyed.

60%+ completion percentage every year
Low int numbers and almost 30 passing TD's per season.

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Unequivocally.

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Drafting Hooker in the first round is a possibility since it would give us the fifth year option and I'm not sure that he would be there at pick #40 in the second round, which means we would probably have to trade up using additional draft capital that we badly need to fill several glaring roster holes.

Surgery and rehab has come along way recently and athletes comeback quicker and stronger than previous treatments allowed. Hooker says he sometimes feels the need to slow down some because he is so far ahead of schedule and doesn't want to risk injuring his knee.

Those are some eye opening numbers. :bugeyes:

I have never been more adamant about wanting to draft a player. He's smart, accurate, and knows what it takes to win. He's a true leader. Both on and off the field. His moxy and intangibles are off the charts.

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Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices).

My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA) :rolleyes:. If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month.

I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr.

I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though.

To be continued ... :bng:

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If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

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Dennis Allen may feel like Carr gives him a better chance of winning next season and after last season he's looking over his shoulder and wants to win now. He might not get a couple of years to develop a rookie if we aren't winning now.

If we don't draft Hendon Hooker I'll be seriously disappointed in the front offices' vision for the New Orleans Saints future which is still win now at all costs. I am not sold on Carr coming in and leading us back to relevance but he's really the best available from a limited mid tier QB pool.

I'm not so sure we couldn't win now with Hendon Hooker if we build the right system for him rather than pigeon holing him in Drews old play book. I just don't know if we have the right coaches to develop a dual threat QB. He's great in the pocket and somewhat elusive but he thrives with designed runs too.

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Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

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I am really torn. I most certainly see the importance in drafting youth. I also see the importance of veteran presence. I am not a Carr fan. I would feel more at peace with another veteran option, just not sure that exists. Having both may not be possible, but would be my wish. Any rookie gains being behind a solid veteran.

Hooker has ties already on the team, which is a plus. His last couple of seasons at TN were okay. Who was he behind at QB at VT?

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I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move.

Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year.

David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though.

Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down.

He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous.

If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year.

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Print the Hooker T-shirts ! Make a deal with HOOTERS! Hooker's Hooters ! :bng:

Carr isn't worth the price for a middle of the road QB.

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He may seem like a middle tier QB but I have a feeling he’ll be way better in the right system, especially the one we run.
Brees was with the chargers for 5 years before coming to the saints, so I compared his stats with Carrs first five years and they were pretty damn close with Carr having slightly better stats from what I can see. Sometimes it just takes the right place with the right system to bring out the best. I’m on the fence with Carmichael, but I’d like to give him a chance with Carr to see if he still has it. If we get him and I’m wrong, I’ll own it