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I like Jameis Winston. He seems to be a good team player but he is not the future. At least not for Dennis Allen who benched him last year and never put him back in the game. He sounds like a post June 1 cut.

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I agree, but only if they have an option other than Dalton. We'll see what they do.

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I don't believe that Winston was ever "benched" last season. He was sat because of the injuries. He was never back to 100% last year from what I have read. Allen probably felt that Dalton wasn't playing poor enough to reinsert a 75% Winston back into the lineup. I feel like a fully ready Winston is far more dangerous than a healthy Dalton. If we can't bring in Carr I hope we run with Winston until we can find something longer term in the draft.

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In the 'Options I Really Don't Want' category anyone who can read between the tea leaves may notice that with the Rams cutting Wagner and shopping Ramsey they may be in rebuild mode and this brings up questions about Matt Stafford. If we are stupid enough to have made a top offer for Deshaun Watson and to consider trading for Derek Carr or perhaps offering him upwards of $30 million, it is scary to consider what might happen if Matt Stafford hits the market and we are looking for a consolation prize.

I really hope we draft a young QB without a costly blockbuster trade and try to develop a QB. I don't want the post-Brees Saints to become the post-Manning/Luck Colts and keep convincing themselves a bunch of washed vets have more left in the tank than they do.

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Dennis Allen said he would not lose his job to injury but he did. Even if he was only at 70% he is still injured. Yes, this is a contact League and there will be some injuries that players can play through. Dennis Allen said more than once that Andy Dalton gave the Saints a better chance to win rather than putting him back in. You are correct that he did not bench him. I misspoke. He just didn't keep his word.

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Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?
 

We already have our QB.

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Should we?

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He hasn't been the same since he married Meghan Markle.

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It appears the difficult transition to a new QB is an extremely common occurrence in today's NFL. It doesn't appear to be an isolated Saints dilemma created by the evil Dr. Payton.

:D

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If we don't land Carr, ( I could see him here) I would go after Mayfield. If Allen does what he says( running the ball) Mayfield could manage the game. With the WR core we have + draft one or pick another up in FA he would be looking at the best group of core players on the O he has ever had. He can make all the throws. Should come reasonably cheap to boot.

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Damn Baker huh? Is he an upgrade over Dalton? Winston? Why did the Panthers move on from him so quickly?

Just appears like his production has gone down over the last couple of seasons.

But hey, what the hell do I know?

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Wentz could be a good addition

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We’re not finding the next Brees amongst these kicked to curb QB’s.
If we’re thinking about doing that, I’d rather we roll with Jameis and select Hooker in the 2nd and roll with that plan.

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Bingo.

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We need to face the fact that we may never find the next Drew Brees. Those transcendent QB's are extremely rare.

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I think he would be an upgrade over Dalton. Winston has the raw ability to be really good but Allen for some reason don't seem to care for him. Browns sold the farm for Watson letting Mayfield go to the Panthers. I'm still scratching my head why the Panthers were so quick to let him go. Given time to learn a system and surrounded by enough talent I do think he could be good enough to make things happen. I'm not saying he's the 2nd coming of Brees but good enough to win some playoff games. The guy is tough, played hurt, did what was required of him playing for the Browns and crapped on. Get his head back in it, u might find out he's not bad. I don't think talent wise there are to many qb.'s in the league as talented as Winston just thought I would throw that in.

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I'd rather bring Teddy B back if the DCarr signs elsewhere. I wouldn't sign a middle-of-the-pack QB to 35M but that's just me.

Here is the list of available FA QBs for 2023.

Carr, Wentz, Mariota, Mayfield, Darnold, Garoppolo, DJones, Rudolph, etc.

Full list

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If those were the cards available and I was playing poker then I would fold. None of these names are exciting enough for me. I want a leader on the field again.

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That's my point. No one is worth bringing in for 35 million per. We can be average with what we have already. Let's draft a QB or two and see what we can do there.

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Long term, this is the only solution at QB.

The draft. Ask KC or Philly.

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In my mind it's
A. Carr for anything under $35MM/yr + Dalton + draft a Rookie in round 2-3
or
B. Dalton + Draft a Rookie you like as early as you want
or
C. Dalton + Get aggressive for a Rookie in the draft

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Speaking of QBs, I see the Falcons released Marcus Mariotta to save 12M.

If Winston isn't your guy, let him geaux too.

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The hang up for me with those options is the inclusion of the name Dalton. I don't want him anywhere near the Saints roster again. Do a find and replace with the name Winston and I could be onboard.

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You are prolly not wrong... but remember Jameis and the Saints hid an injury, a broken back no less. If he's truly healthy now, he has to be considered. He's cheap, QB wise, and under contract.

If we suck worse, we'll be in better position for another QB in the 2024 draft for what is considered a much richer QB draft. If we get lucky with Hooker or some other QB in the draft this year, than it's that much better for us next year.

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If Sean was still coaching, keeping Jameis in 2023 is a no-brainer.

But with Heckle and Jeckle running this team, naw.

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Not even the JETS are considering 35M for DCarr.

Crazy how they just drafted a QB (Wilson), in 1st round of 2021 and are already in the market to replace him.

Hoping to find the next Pat Mahomes, Burrow or JAllen is like searching for a needle in a hay stack.

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Hid an injury? I believe you are very mistaken, Smash. The back injury (transverse process fractures) was public knowledge immediately after the injury occurred. There were comparisons to the exact same injury suffered by Tony Romo and others. Here's an article referencing the back injury before the week two game against the Bucs on September 18.

Glazer: Saints QB Jameis Winston Has 4 Fractures in Back; No Risk of Further Injury


ERIN WALSH
SEPTEMBER 18, 2022

New Orleans Saints quarterback Jameis Winston is set to play Sunday's game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with four fractures in his back, per Fox's Jay Glazer.

Winston is in "a lot of pain" and will be wearing extra padding to protect the area, Glazer added. Jeff Duncan of NOLA.com also noted the veteran signal-caller has been in pain "all week."

Winston took a hit in the fourth quarter of a Week 1 win over the Atlanta Falcons and was checked out in the medical tent before returning to the Saints bench. After the game, he said he was in pain.

When asked where the pain was, Winston responded: "Just pain. It was pain everywhere."

The 28-year-old, who was limited in practice all week, was initially listed for Sunday's matchup as questionable with a back injury. He told reporters Wednesday (h/t ProFootballTalk's Josh Alper) that he was still "getting over some first game soreness."

Winston has been riddled by injuries over the last two seasons.

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Precisely why this is a TEAM game. Build a great team amd the QB needn't be a Mahomes. This has been proven time and time again .

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Yes, the injury precedes this report. Jameis admitted recently that it was concealed.

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Concealed from who and when? The fact that he had suffered four fractures to the lower back area on September 11th was known by everyone later the very next week prior to the Tampa Bay game on September 18th. That article was published within days of the injury. Dr. David Chou was on NFL Radio that same week talking about Winston's fractures. He was the one comparing the injury to Romo's. The Saints did a damned crappy job of concealing something by immediately reporting it to the press. LOL!

I believe you are simply mistaken, Smash, about what Winston supposedly admitted recently. Or more likely, the source that you got that totally erroneous information from was wrong.

Edit: What might have been being referred to was that the team concealed the fact that it was a back injury from the Falcons during the game after leaving the blue tent. Now that would be accurate and make sense. That's probably where the confusuion lies.

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If Winston stays, I draft McCall
If we get Carr at a reasonable rate I still draft McCall
If Winston goes and Carr price tag is to high I go with Mayfield ( should come cheap and still draft McCall.
The only high price FA is Carr, I really don't see the downfall going forward.
I believe with a really good O line, the WR core+1, add a stud TE and 2 rookie RB's (I could get it done, not really but what the he!!) any of those qb.'s would be good enough to make it happen.

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We don't have the depth to have a good offensive line like you mentioned and it's a glaring weakness. We have Michael Olave and and an undrafted free agent with potential, but still no depth and no possession receiver. As you mentioned, we need a stud tight end and a couple of running backs as well.

We still have to fill the offensive guard, safety, defensive tackle, defensive end and shore up the corners. Not to mention we need a quarterback. That's an awful lot to fill in this one draft. Maybe we get another draft like 2017 and can get our salary cap under control. As long as we don't draft defensive end in the first round I'll be fine. Their last few picks have been questionable at best.

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Rugs, there are really good rb.'s to be had in the middle to later rounds, that part should be easy. The first or 2nd round I grab Peats replacement and a DT in the late 2nd early 3rd. The TE is what I'm having a hard time with, maybe a good FA gets cut. There is a monster of a guy at DT could be had in the late 2nd / early 3rd that should shore up the middle. lb's resigning Ellis gives us a really good middle and on the backend I could see another S added to the mix. In the later rounds we should get some depth in the trenches on the O side. I really want McCall drafted in the 3rd or 4th, he should make a good backup qb. until he gets the system down. Of coarse Allen will go in a different direction and we'll go thru another season of dismal play if he don't get his head out of his a$$ but hopefully I'm totally wrong. I doubt it but here's to wishing.

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The more I think about it, the more I’m leaning towards passing on Carr and rolling with Winston. We can use that money in FA along with the draft to primarily fill the OL,DL, and RB positions. Also gotta shore up safety as well. I’m not sure Carr with a bunch of rookies and cheap FAs is gonna do much.