Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs

leilung · 10-02-2023, 06:27 AM

How can a team with so much talent lose in such convincing fashion that they make a depleted division opponent look like world beaters? Play calling and failure to make adjustments? How many times do we have to see this?

This team should be 4-0. Instead, they are struggling to stay relevant! Fortunately, it's only game 4... but ONLY if they change things up.

saintsfan1976 · 10-02-2023, 06:43 AM

We are here:

K Major · 10-02-2023, 09:17 AM

Saints Film Room: Is Pete Carmichael The Root Of Saints Offensive Woes? \| NOLA vs Tampa Game 1 2023 - YouTube

Rell&Gold · 10-02-2023, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints Film Room: Is Pete Carmichael The Root Of Saints Offensive Woes? | NOLA vs Tampa Game 1 2023 - YouTube

Just watched this too, Two thing can be right same piss poor playcalling tendencies. As well as DC holding on to the ball or he missed Tony Jones JR, Taysom Hill, and Olave ir MT on third downs. Carr may not be the problem but I'll say again and again he's not the solution. DC DA PC will not elevate this team. The combination of the three. We do not attack the seams anymore we don't use TE but to block. PC at minimum has to go. At the minimum he has to go.

K Major · 10-02-2023, 09:26 AM

Positives

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Trevor Penning ... he continues to improve every week.
Brian Bresee ... looks really good at the position.

CheramieIII · 10-02-2023, 10:04 AM

DA and PC need to be fired immediately! Carr needs to be benched and Haener needs to step in! Use Hill a lot more on Offense! We have way too many weapons not to score a lot of TD’s! We have 12 FG’s and 4 Offensive TD’s! I could coach better than that!!! The Aint’s are back guys and gals! We’re in for a long season! We were lucky to beat the Titans and Kittens!!!

Rell&Gold · 10-02-2023, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints Film Room: Is Pete Carmichael The Root Of Saints Offensive Woes? | NOLA vs Tampa Game 1 2023 - YouTube

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

DA and PC need to be fired immediately! Carr needs to be benched and Haener needs to step in! Use Hill a lot more on Offense! We have way too many weapons not to score a lot of TD’s! We have 12 FG’s and 4 Offensive TD’s! I could coach better than that!!! The Aint’s are back guys and gals! We’re in for a long season! We were lucky to beat the Titans and Kittens!!!

If Tomlin is coming out addressing issues stating there needs to be changes, DA soft a$$ needs to do the same, good to potentially great DC below avg head coach

K Major · 10-02-2023, 12:40 PM

Not sure if any has seen the clip Underhill posted but it's some ridiculous play call in the redzone where Carr is under center with a "fake" reverse to AK ... resulting in a 3 yard loss.

Who are you trying to fool? If you are going to do that type of stuff, do it with Taysom Hill.

Is Pete Carmichael trying to re injure DCarr with this nonsense?

Edit *** here is the clip I was referring to.

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BakoSaint · 10-02-2023, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not sure if any has seen the clip Underhill posted but it's some ridiculous play call in the redzone where Carr is under center with a "fake" reverse to AK ... resulting in a 3 yard loss.

Who are you trying to fool? If you are going to do that type of stuff, do it with Taysom Hill.

Is Pete Carmichael trying to re injure DCarr with this nonsense?

The coaching staff and management may literally be trying to re-injure Carr. They thrive on excuses and injuries are the best excuse. Carr's injury last week was a godsend for them, all the conversation was on the injury and the bad luck and how we would be 3-0. Carr's surprising diagnosis and quick recovery were the worst luck these guys have ever had. Their excuse for an entire season melted away in a few days. Now they have what they built and they have to own it and take responsibility. Another significant injury is all they can hope and pray for. If Carr continues to struggle they will try to delay firing Carmichael until the season is over and then offer him as a sacrificial lamb but that might not cut it. People might start asking questions about the salary cap and why we can't move on from Carr and have to resign struggling aging injury prone players to avoid cap hits. Injury is this regime's greatest hope to buy themselves another year.

iceshack149 · 10-02-2023, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The coaching staff and management may literally be trying to re-injure Carr. They thrive on excuses and injuries are the best excuse. Carr's injury last week was a godsend for them, all the conversation was on the injury and the bad luck and how we would be 3-0. Carr's surprising diagnosis and quick recovery were the worst luck these guys have ever had. Their excuse for an entire season melted away in a few days. Now they have what they built and they have to own it and take responsibility. Another significant injury is all they can hope and pray for. If Carr continues to struggle they will try to delay firing Carmichael until the season is over and then offer him as a sacrificial lamb but that might not cut it. People might start asking questions about the salary cap and why we can't move on from Carr and have to resign struggling aging injury prone players to avoid cap hits. Injury is this regime's greatest hope to buy themselves another year.

10-02-2023, 06:27 AM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,430	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs How can a team with so much talent lose in such convincing fashion that they make a depleted division opponent look like world beaters? Play calling and failure to make adjustments? How many times do we have to see this? This team should be 4-0. Instead, they are struggling to stay relevant! Fortunately, it's only game 4... but ONLY if they change things up.

10-02-2023, 06:43 AM	#2
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10-02-2023, 11:18 AM	#4
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by K Major Saints Film Room: Is Pete Carmichael The Root Of Saints Offensive Woes? \| NOLA vs Tampa Game 1 2023 - YouTube Just watched this too, Two thing can be right same piss poor playcalling tendencies. As well as DC holding on to the ball or he missed Tony Jones JR, Taysom Hill, and Olave ir MT on third downs. Carr may not be the problem but I'll say again and again he's not the solution. DC DA PC will not elevate this team. The combination of the three. We do not attack the seams anymore we don't use TE but to block. PC at minimum has to go. At the minimum he has to go. K Major likes this.

10-02-2023, 09:26 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs Positives ... Trevor Penning ... he continues to improve every week. Brian Bresee ... looks really good at the position. jnormand, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 3 others like this.

10-02-2023, 10:04 AM	#6
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs DA and PC need to be fired immediately! Carr needs to be benched and Haener needs to step in! Use Hill a lot more on Offense! We have way too many weapons not to score a lot of TD’s! We have 12 FG’s and 4 Offensive TD’s! I could coach better than that!!! The Aint’s are back guys and gals! We’re in for a long season! We were lucky to beat the Titans and Kittens!!! Sinner and Rell&Gold like this.

10-02-2023, 11:20 AM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by K Major Saints Film Room: Is Pete Carmichael The Root Of Saints Offensive Woes? \| NOLA vs Tampa Game 1 2023 - YouTube Originally Posted by CheramieIII DA and PC need to be fired immediately! Carr needs to be benched and Haener needs to step in! Use Hill a lot more on Offense! We have way too many weapons not to score a lot of TD’s! We have 12 FG’s and 4 Offensive TD’s! I could coach better than that!!! The Aint’s are back guys and gals! We’re in for a long season! We were lucky to beat the Titans and Kittens!!! If Tomlin is coming out addressing issues stating there needs to be changes, DA soft a$$ needs to do the same, good to potentially great DC below avg head coach dizzle88 and K Major like this.

10-02-2023, 12:40 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs Not sure if any has seen the clip Underhill posted but it's some ridiculous play call in the redzone where Carr is under center with a "fake" reverse to AK ... resulting in a 3 yard loss. Who are you trying to fool? If you are going to do that type of stuff, do it with Taysom Hill. Is Pete Carmichael trying to re injure DCarr with this nonsense? Edit *** here is the clip I was referring to. Twitter SmashMouth likes this.

10-02-2023, 01:34 PM	#9
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,408	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by K Major Not sure if any has seen the clip Underhill posted but it's some ridiculous play call in the redzone where Carr is under center with a "fake" reverse to AK ... resulting in a 3 yard loss. Who are you trying to fool? If you are going to do that type of stuff, do it with Taysom Hill. Is Pete Carmichael trying to re injure DCarr with this nonsense? The coaching staff and management may literally be trying to re-injure Carr. They thrive on excuses and injuries are the best excuse. Carr's injury last week was a godsend for them, all the conversation was on the injury and the bad luck and how we would be 3-0. Carr's surprising diagnosis and quick recovery were the worst luck these guys have ever had. Their excuse for an entire season melted away in a few days. Now they have what they built and they have to own it and take responsibility. Another significant injury is all they can hope and pray for. If Carr continues to struggle they will try to delay firing Carmichael until the season is over and then offer him as a sacrificial lamb but that might not cut it. People might start asking questions about the salary cap and why we can't move on from Carr and have to resign struggling aging injury prone players to avoid cap hits. Injury is this regime's greatest hope to buy themselves another year.
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10-02-2023, 03:46 PM	#10
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,429 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by BakoSaint The coaching staff and management may literally be trying to re-injure Carr. They thrive on excuses and injuries are the best excuse. Carr's injury last week was a godsend for them, all the conversation was on the injury and the bad luck and how we would be 3-0. Carr's surprising diagnosis and quick recovery were the worst luck these guys have ever had. Their excuse for an entire season melted away in a few days. Now they have what they built and they have to own it and take responsibility. Another significant injury is all they can hope and pray for. If Carr continues to struggle they will try to delay firing Carmichael until the season is over and then offer him as a sacrificial lamb but that might not cut it. People might start asking questions about the salary cap and why we can't move on from Carr and have to resign struggling aging injury prone players to avoid cap hits. Injury is this regime's greatest hope to buy themselves another year.