Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-09-2023, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I have to call you out on this.

Look, when the initial reports on the drama around MT's injury and the coaches came out, I was hard on him too. I believed what was written and wanted him off the team.

But since then, it's impossible not to see how coaches, players and reporters alike have all supported MT and echoed his importance to this team.

A Prima Donna is defined as "A temperamental, conceited person". All I've seen from MT is a guy who supports his coaches, fights for his team and wants to win more than anything else.

At this point you're grinding an axe that running out of metal

Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player."

So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this.

SFIAH

mapcow · 10-10-2023, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player."

So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this.

SFIAH

should have cut bait 3 years ago.

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2023, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

should have cut bait 3 years ago.

Like you incorrectly swore we were going to 3 years ago and every year since?

No wonder you are so bitter being so terribly wrong all of this time. It must eat away at you after all of the time and energy you've given this campaign of hate toward Thomas. One would almost feel sorry for you. Not quite, but almost.

TheOak · 10-10-2023, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player."

SFIAH

That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings.

On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year.

Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-10-2023, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings.

On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year.

Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me.

You sort of missed my point. To Mapcow, MT13 is all about feelings, and nothing about production. Even if now he was consistent and productive, because of the feelings about the player, he would still be dismissed by some. Nothing else matters.

As for the Saints as a whole, it's all about consistency now. They have the talent. They certainly have the scheme on defense. Carmichael seems to be trying. Injuries haven't been terrible yet. But there just can't be 4th quarters to the Packers, or entire games for the offense to the Bucs. Everyone needs to do their job for 4 quarters each and every game for the team to move where they need to go.

When Brees was here, you could pretty much go into any game knowing the offense was going to put up 20 or more points before the game started. But now, each game offensively is currently a Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. The Saints have to decide offensively if they are going to be consistently explosive or find a way to consistently grind each drive. But the latter cannot have penalties, incompletes, or unproductive runs to be effective. And right now we just haven't seen either on any consistent basis.

It's a thing of beauty when everyone rows together, to the tune of a 34-0 shellacking of the Patriots. But the Saints are not currently the 49ers, which are putting up 35+ points each and every week as an unstoppable juggernaut. Consistency is the difference between the two.

SFIAH

The Dude · 10-08-2023, 05:53 PM

Play calling was still stale and conservative and would have produced a different result against a mediocre team. Luckily the Patriots are awful on both sides of the ball. I think BB has already mailed it in eying first overall.

mapcow · 10-08-2023, 06:08 PM

Basically, the Saints played against themselves (the patriots) today, and won.

AsylumGuido · 10-08-2023, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Basically, the Saints played against themselves (the patriots) today, and won.

Then they kicked their selves 34-0. Pretty decent.

AsylumGuido · 10-08-2023, 06:19 PM

Do we need to win 68-0 for the haters to give any credit? Probably not. It's like we win and it pisses the haters off even more like they want us to lose so they have more to ***** about.

Oh, well.

I thought we played a great game on the road and Carr looked like the shoulder was much better off this week.

Sinner · 10-08-2023, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do we need to win 68-0 for the haters to give any credit? Probably not. It's like we win and it pisses the haters off even more like they want us to lose so they have more to ***** about.

Oh, well.

I thought we played a great game on the road and Carr looked like the shoulder was much better off this week.

No, we don’t need to win 68 - 0 in order to get cred… we need to play consistently GOOD FOOTBALL against ALL opponents, week after week. We have tremendous talent, a mediocre QB with an improved shoulder, and a lackluster coaching staff, who are going to get to rest on this one laurel, due to beating a tired chess master with bad chess pieces.

We don’t hate. We pay attention. We ARE paying attention. We are diehard Saints Fans.

10-09-2023, 06:39 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I have to call you out on this. Look, when the initial reports on the drama around MT's injury and the coaches came out, I was hard on him too. I believed what was written and wanted him off the team. But since then, it's impossible not to see how coaches, players and reporters alike have all supported MT and echoed his importance to this team. A Prima Donna is defined as "A temperamental, conceited person". All I've seen from MT is a guy who supports his coaches, fights for his team and wants to win more than anything else. At this point you're grinding an axe that running out of metal Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player." So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this. SFIAH leilung, Rugby Saint II and mapcow like this.

10-10-2023, 09:19 AM	#2
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,823	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player." So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this. SFIAH should have cut bait 3 years ago.
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10-10-2023, 09:30 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,881	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by mapcow should have cut bait 3 years ago. Like you incorrectly swore we were going to 3 years ago and every year since? No wonder you are so bitter being so terribly wrong all of this time. It must eat away at you after all of the time and energy you've given this campaign of hate toward Thomas. One would almost feel sorry for you. Not quite, but almost.

10-10-2023, 11:58 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player." SFIAH That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings. On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year. Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me. K Major likes this.

10-10-2023, 12:22 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by TheOak That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings. On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year. Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me. You sort of missed my point. To Mapcow, MT13 is all about feelings, and nothing about production. Even if now he was consistent and productive, because of the feelings about the player, he would still be dismissed by some. Nothing else matters. As for the Saints as a whole, it's all about consistency now. They have the talent. They certainly have the scheme on defense. Carmichael seems to be trying. Injuries haven't been terrible yet. But there just can't be 4th quarters to the Packers, or entire games for the offense to the Bucs. Everyone needs to do their job for 4 quarters each and every game for the team to move where they need to go. When Brees was here, you could pretty much go into any game knowing the offense was going to put up 20 or more points before the game started. But now, each game offensively is currently a Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. The Saints have to decide offensively if they are going to be consistently explosive or find a way to consistently grind each drive. But the latter cannot have penalties, incompletes, or unproductive runs to be effective. And right now we just haven't seen either on any consistent basis. It's a thing of beauty when everyone rows together, to the tune of a 34-0 shellacking of the Patriots. But the Saints are not currently the 49ers, which are putting up 35+ points each and every week as an unstoppable juggernaut. Consistency is the difference between the two. SFIAH AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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10-08-2023, 05:53 PM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,075	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Play calling was still stale and conservative and would have produced a different result against a mediocre team. Luckily the Patriots are awful on both sides of the ball. I think BB has already mailed it in eying first overall. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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10-08-2023, 06:08 PM	#7
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,823	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Basically, the Saints played against themselves (the patriots) today, and won. jnormand and Sinner like this.
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10-08-2023, 06:15 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,881	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by mapcow Basically, the Saints played against themselves (the patriots) today, and won. Then they kicked their selves 34-0. Pretty decent.

10-08-2023, 06:19 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,881	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Do we need to win 68-0 for the haters to give any credit? Probably not. It's like we win and it pisses the haters off even more like they want us to lose so they have more to ***** about. Oh, well. I thought we played a great game on the road and Carr looked like the shoulder was much better off this week. Papa Voodoo likes this.

10-08-2023, 06:52 PM	#10
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,076	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do we need to win 68-0 for the haters to give any credit? Probably not. It's like we win and it pisses the haters off even more like they want us to lose so they have more to ***** about. Oh, well. I thought we played a great game on the road and Carr looked like the shoulder was much better off this week. No, we don’t need to win 68 - 0 in order to get cred… we need to play consistently GOOD FOOTBALL against ALL opponents, week after week. We have tremendous talent, a mediocre QB with an improved shoulder, and a lackluster coaching staff, who are going to get to rest on this one laurel, due to beating a tired chess master with bad chess pieces. We don’t hate. We pay attention. We ARE paying attention. We are diehard Saints Fans. iceshack149, SaintFanInATLHELL, jnormand and 1 others like this.
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