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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Sinner Y’all keep saying “we”, but there AINT no “we” in Gayle Benson. Just wait until she starts getting the cold shoulder from all the other guests who aren't running charities at all her galas and swares. ...

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Old 12-24-2023, 01:13 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
Y’all keep saying “we”, but there AINT no “we” in Gayle Benson.
Just wait until she starts getting the cold shoulder from all the other guests who aren't running charities at all her galas and swares. She is about to go from being treated like the first lady of New Orleans to typhoid mary. Then she will look for answers of who ruined her reputation and give Loomis a gold watch instead of the game ball.
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Old 12-24-2023, 01:18 PM   #2
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Just wait until she starts getting the cold shoulder from all the other guests who aren't running charities at all her galas and swares. She is about to go from being treated like the first lady of New Orleans to typhoid mary. Then she will look for answers of who ruined her reputation and give Loomis a gold watch instead of the game ball.
One would almost think that they’re deliberately trying to lose the team to a new location…
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Old 12-24-2023, 01:10 PM   #3
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DAand the cap are the problems we have to address this offseason. No more restructures to older players who won't see the end of their contract. If they get to the end of their contract then we're paying over the hill players prime money.
We do not have a choice about restructuring to older players. We are $87-89 million over the projected 2024 salary cap depending on whether you go by Spotrac or Overthecap. We cannot cut players to save on the salary cap, they have already been restructured so many times that their dead cap is higher than their salary and it costs us money for the first year to move on, like the early termination fee of that $100 per line cell phone plan that came with the shiny new iPhone 12. We have to restructure most of our older players to avoid breaking the salary cap and facing unprecedented penalties and loss of draft picks for being the first team in NFL history to fail to get under the salary cap for an entire league year. The only choice we have is whether we only restructure as many players as we have to, in order to allow the cap deficit to get a little less severe the following year and begin a rebuild, or whether we restructure everyone under the premise that if we added Davante Adams or whatever we could win it all with an even older roster. What we need to do is only restructure the 2/3rds of veterans we are forced to, and avoid trading any future draft picks, which could be #1 overall in 2025.
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Old 12-24-2023, 01:23 PM   #4
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We do not have a choice about restructuring to older players. We are $87-89 million over the projected 2024 salary cap depending on whether you go by Spotrac or Overthecap. We cannot cut players to save on the salary cap, they have already been restructured so many times that their dead cap is higher than their salary and it costs us money for the first year to move on, like the early termination fee of that $100 per line cell phone plan that came with the shiny new iPhone 12. We have to restructure most of our older players to avoid breaking the salary cap and facing unprecedented penalties and loss of draft picks for being the first team in NFL history to fail to get under the salary cap for an entire league year. The only choice we have is whether we only restructure as many players as we have to, in order to allow the cap deficit to get a little less severe the following year and begin a rebuild, or whether we restructure everyone under the premise that if we added Davante Adams or whatever we could win it all with an even older roster. What we need to do is only restructure the 2/3rds of veterans we are forced to, and avoid trading any future draft picks, which could be #1 overall in 2025.


There's a nuclear option to clear most of it next season. Though it leaves little cap in the next 2 years(4ml/21ml roughly) and probably a guaranteed number 1 pick for 2 seasons
All players in gold or pink traded/cut. Its not going to happen as its absolute nuclear blow it up and Loomis would essentially be saying he has made mistakes
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Old 12-27-2023, 12:46 PM   #5
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There's a nuclear option to clear most of it next season. Though it leaves little cap in the next 2 years(4ml/21ml roughly) and probably a guaranteed number 1 pick for 2 seasons
All players in gold or pink traded/cut. Its not going to happen as its absolute nuclear blow it up and Loomis would essentially be saying he has made mistakes
Unfortunately this is not realistic/legal. You are relying mostly on Post June 1 trades to get the team under the cap. Teams are required to be under the salary cap by 4PM ET on March 15. There is no post June 1 designation for trades, only 2 such designations allowed for cuts, and even when that designation is applied to 2 cuts, the money it saves does not come off the cap until June 1. If the Saints exceeded the salary cap from 3/15-5/31 they would face unprecedented penalties, likely the loss of the entire draft and likely future drafts, as no team has ever willfully exceeded the salary cap, and this would involve willfully exceeding it by $80 million for 2.5 months. Also the team would have to find trade partners wanting to acquire all these players in transactions that could not be finalized until June 1 after the draft and being willing to pay their 2024 base salaries, many of which are not neccessarily bargains on older players.

Per wikipedia "The NFL's cap is a hard cap that the teams have to stay under at all times, and the salary floor is also a hard floor. Penalties for violating or circumventing the cap regulations include fines of up to $5 million for each violation, cancellation of contracts and/or loss of draft picks."

Reading further into this, the loss of draft picks is not even the worst thing that could happen to the Saints if the salary cap was willfully exceeded. The NFL could force the Saints to 'cancel contracts' to get under the cap. This does not mean like canceling Derek Carr's horrible contract with guaranteed salary that would actually increase our cap number, it would likely mean cutting the contracts that are not guaranteed and that don't come with dead cap that would exceed the savings. Sounds great we would want to cut those anyway right? Well no. You see the main contracts for us that fit in the category where the base salary exceeds the dead cap are recent day 2 draft picks who did not get big bonuses or base salaries and don't yet have a lot of prorated money that would create dead cap if they were cut to save on their base salaries. Cutting Paulson Adebo saves us $1.3 million. Cutting Pete Werner saves us 1.4 milion. Cutting Alontae Taylor saves us $0.8 million. Cutting Erik McCoy saves us $0.9 millon. Cutting Jordan Howden saves us $0.7 million. If the Saints willfully exceeded the salary cap, the NFL could theoretically forfeit their 2024 and 2025 draft picks and cancel the above contracts while blocking them from signing any players until after June 1 and fining them $5 million an undetermined number of times depending on what they consider each seperate violation.
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We've got a mid first round pick, Denver's second round pick and then we don't pick again until the fifth round. After that we've got two sixth round picks.

We don't have much ammo to work with to give a new HC a decent roster. So, we'll give DA more rope to hang himself and spend everything to win the division next year......

If DA is here next year, then Loomis will have to go all in again and we are stuck in this vicious circle for another year. And that is what scares me the most! Another year of doing what we're doing!

We can't get the cap under control until we fire Dennis Allen and clear out the bad contracts off the cap.

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If DA is here next year, then Loomis will have to go all in again and we are stuck in this vicious circle for another year. And that is what scares me the most! Another year of doing what we're doing!

We can't get the cap under control until we fire Dennis Allen and clear out the bad contracts off the cap.
I hate to say it Rugs but Dennis is likely retained for 2024 as HC.

Dark days ahead for Saints nation.
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We've got a mid first round pick, Denver's second round pick and then we don't pick again until the fifth round. After that we've got two sixth round picks.

We don't have much ammo to work with to give a new HC a decent roster. So, we'll give DA more rope to hang himself and spend everything to win the division next year......

If DA is here next year, then Loomis will have to go all in again and we are stuck in this vicious circle for another year. And that is what scares me the most! Another year of doing what we're doing!

We can't get the cap under control until we fire Dennis Allen and clear out the bad contracts off the cap.
Saints should receive comp picks for losing Onyemata, Davenport and Elliss.

Currently projected to be two 5s and one 6.

Which means we're trading up for a small school DE who'll play 3 games in 2 years.
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Saints should receive comp picks for losing Onyemata, Davenport and Elliss.

Currently projected to be two 5s and one 6.

Which means we're trading up for a small school DE who'll play 3 games in 2 years.
Yeah but the seats in the dome are nice and cushy, and the lines for the restroom are shorter. Thanks Miss Gayle!
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Yeah but the seats in the dome are nice and cushy, and the lines for the restroom are shorter. Thanks Miss Gayle!
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