DENNIS ALLEN…

Mr.Riaton · 11-14-2023, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Bills fire OC Ken Dorsey

These are the type of moves ^^^^ that the Saints should be making today, during a bye week. One franchise (Bills) gets embarassed by a non contender on MNF, has aspirations of getting back to the SB & makes an immediate change, and other (Saints) just "hopes" to squeak into the post season & has a HC publicly say "no changes will be made" on the coaching staff after losing to a back up QB on the road .

Mindset needs to change on Airline Dr.

Absolutely agree with all this!
I would love to see Carmichael replaced, and rightly so, but man Allen’s complacency for mediocrity is alarming. The fact that he or Loomis does nothing week after week aggravates the fkn crap out of me

leilung · 11-14-2023, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Who is available right now that is a definite upgrade? It would pretty much have to be someone from within at this time. They'd have to work within the existing infrastructure. It's impossible to change much of substance such as the playbook and terminology at this point. Basically the same sort of replacement as was Brady with the Bills. I see Curry as the only option.

Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can't keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season.

Mr.Riaton · 11-14-2023, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season.

He keeps waiting and expecting for sh*t to click but half of the season has passed and sh*t ain’t clicking. And when the find success (giving Taysom more playing time, etc) the abandon it. It’s frickin maddening.

I know things can be worse, but damn, things can be a lot better too

Rugby Saint II · 11-14-2023, 06:16 PM

On the Overtime podcast they talked about Alontae Taylor being undisciplined. He's playing well after moving to the Nickle this year and he will continue to improve.

It's a team wide lack of focus that is killing this team and it shows in false start drive killing penalties, holding calls by both the offense and defense, poor clock management, poor execution, and just sloppy play in general. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking that Dennis Allen might be in over his head without an Alpha male in the building who can and will hold people accountable. Just sayin'.

BakoSaint · 11-14-2023, 10:06 PM

If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls.

But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system.

And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that.

None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete.

As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD.

Sinner · 11-15-2023, 10:43 AM

Is Dennis Allen gone yet?

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2023, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls.

But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system.

And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that.

None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete.

As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD.

Josh Dobbs didn't learn the playbook. They've been basically playing street ball with him drawing up plays in the dirt.

K Major · 11-15-2023, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Is Dennis Allen gone yet?

Nope.

And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity.

12-14 as Saints HC

.

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2023, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Nope.

And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity.

12-14 as Saints HC .

We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell.

19-23-1 as Lions HC

An organization stuck in mediocrity.

Sinner · 11-15-2023, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell.

19-23-1 as Lions HC

An organization stuck in mediocrity.

What happens when you mix some unrelated statistics with some whataboutism, and throw in an unhealthy dose of Xanax, while being a masochist disguised as a Saints Fan? Nothing. “Just keep doing what you’re doing.”

11-14-2023, 12:51 PM	#71
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,254	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by K Major Bills fire OC Ken Dorsey These are the type of moves ^^^^ that the Saints should be making today, during a bye week. One franchise (Bills) gets embarassed by a non contender on MNF, has aspirations of getting back to the SB & makes an immediate change, and other (Saints) just "hopes" to squeak into the post season & has a HC publicly say "no changes will be made" on the coaching staff after losing to a back up QB on the road . Mindset needs to change on Airline Dr. Absolutely agree with all this! I would love to see Carmichael replaced, and rightly so, but man Allen’s complacency for mediocrity is alarming. The fact that he or Loomis does nothing week after week aggravates the fkn crap out of me neugey, leilung, Sinner and 1 others like this.

11-14-2023, 04:36 PM	#72
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,162	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Who is available right now that is a definite upgrade? It would pretty much have to be someone from within at this time. They'd have to work within the existing infrastructure. It's impossible to change much of substance such as the playbook and terminology at this point. Basically the same sort of replacement as was Brady with the Bills. I see Curry as the only option. Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can't keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season. iceshack149, neugey, Sinner and 1 others like this.

11-14-2023, 05:22 PM	#73
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,254	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by leilung Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season. He keeps waiting and expecting for sht to click but half of the season has passed and sht ain’t clicking. And when the find success (giving Taysom more playing time, etc) the abandon it. It’s frickin maddening. I know things can be worse, but damn, things can be a lot better too Sinner likes this.

11-14-2023, 06:16 PM	#74
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11-14-2023, 10:06 PM	#75
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,765	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls. But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system. And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that. None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete. As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD.
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11-15-2023, 11:08 AM	#77
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by BakoSaint If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls. But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system. And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that. None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete. As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD. Josh Dobbs didn't learn the playbook. They've been basically playing street ball with him drawing up plays in the dirt.

11-15-2023, 11:45 AM	#78
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,059 Blog Entries: 3	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by Sinner Is Dennis Allen gone yet? Nope. And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity. 12-14 as Saints HC . rezburna likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by K Major Nope. And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity. 12-14 as Saints HC . We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell. 19-23-1 as Lions HC An organization stuck in mediocrity.

11-15-2023, 03:34 PM	#80
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell. 19-23-1 as Lions HC An organization stuck in mediocrity. What happens when you mix some unrelated statistics with some whataboutism, and throw in an unhealthy dose of Xanax, while being a masochist disguised as a Saints Fan? Nothing. “Just keep doing what you’re doing.” K Major likes this.
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