DENNIS ALLEN…

Mr.Riaton · 11-14-2023, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season.

He keeps waiting and expecting for sh*t to click but half of the season has passed and sh*t ain’t clicking. And when the find success (giving Taysom more playing time, etc) the abandon it. It’s frickin maddening.

I know things can be worse, but damn, things can be a lot better too

Rugby Saint II · 11-14-2023, 06:16 PM

On the Overtime podcast they talked about Alontae Taylor being undisciplined. He's playing well after moving to the Nickle this year and he will continue to improve.

It's a team wide lack of focus that is killing this team and it shows in false start drive killing penalties, holding calls by both the offense and defense, poor clock management, poor execution, and just sloppy play in general. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking that Dennis Allen might be in over his head without an Alpha male in the building who can and will hold people accountable. Just sayin'.

BakoSaint · 11-14-2023, 10:06 PM

If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls.

But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system.

And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that.

None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete.

As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD.

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2023, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls.

But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system.

And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that.

None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete.

As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD.

Josh Dobbs didn't learn the playbook. They've been basically playing street ball with him drawing up plays in the dirt.

Sinner · 11-15-2023, 10:43 AM

Is Dennis Allen gone yet?

K Major · 11-15-2023, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Is Dennis Allen gone yet?

Nope.

And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity.

12-14 as Saints HC

.

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2023, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Nope.

And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity.

12-14 as Saints HC .

We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell.

19-23-1 as Lions HC

An organization stuck in mediocrity.

Sinner · 11-15-2023, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell.

19-23-1 as Lions HC

An organization stuck in mediocrity.

What happens when you mix some unrelated statistics with some whataboutism, and throw in an unhealthy dose of Xanax, while being a masochist disguised as a Saints Fan? Nothing. “Just keep doing what you’re doing.”

Mr.Riaton · 11-16-2023, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell.

19-23-1 as Lions HC

An organization stuck in mediocrity.

Dan Campbell actually improved and has turned that franchise around and leading the division with a 7-3 record with a team that looks inspired to play. Allen looks to actually be regressing, or at the least, remaining mundane and uninspiring….you know, mediocre. Allen has never coached a team and produced results like what Campbell is doing with his

BakoSaint · 11-15-2023, 07:27 PM

I found more on Dennis Allen's head coaching record. In 63 career games as a head coach with the Raiders and Saints he has never beat a team that has both a winning record and it's starting QB starting. He has 1 win against a winning team with a backup QB starting, that was Gardner Minshew with the Eagles, his only such win in 5 years as a head coach. Gardner Minshew lost both his starts with the Eagles last year. So in 63 career games as a head coach, Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team unless they started a winless QB.

11-14-2023, 05:22 PM	#1
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by leilung Curry seems to be a logical jumping off point. I'm of the school that you can keep doing things the same way, with the same play callers, and expect different results. At this point, we're 5-5 (in a bad division but a chance to win it) with a Bye Week. There won't be a better opportunity to shift gears this season. He keeps waiting and expecting for sht to click but half of the season has passed and sht ain’t clicking. And when the find success (giving Taysom more playing time, etc) the abandon it. It’s frickin maddening. I know things can be worse, but damn, things can be a lot better too Sinner likes this.

11-14-2023, 06:16 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… On the Overtime podcast they talked about Alontae Taylor being undisciplined. He's playing well after moving to the Nickle this year and he will continue to improve. It's a team wide lack of focus that is killing this team and it shows in false start drive killing penalties, holding calls by both the offense and defense, poor clock management, poor execution, and just sloppy play in general. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking that Dennis Allen might be in over his head without an Alpha male in the building who can and will hold people accountable. Just sayin'. Sinner likes this.
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11-14-2023, 10:06 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls. But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system. And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that. None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete. As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD.
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11-15-2023, 11:08 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by BakoSaint If Josh Dobbs can learn the Vikings playbook well enough to QB them to 2 wins in his first 2 weeks on the team, I reject the assertion that a smart outside coach who doesn't have to work out or physically practice cannot possibly learn our playbook enough during a bye week or even a regular week to provide an upgrade over Carmichael. A new coach could not change our system over night but he could absorb it and look for gradual improvements and better play calls. But if we wanted someone familiar with our existing system just so Dennis Allen could hire a guy more on his level not an intimidating rocket scientist like Dobbs, I still don't think Curry is the only option. We have been running the same system for over 15 years. That is 15 years of past offensive staff and backup QBs who could be interviewed. Some of our past offensive coaches under Payton may be currently unemployed. Or we could call up Luke McCown, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Chase Daniels, they would know our system. And honestly, the oline has improved over the course of the season more than the offense in general. Doug Marrone could step up to OC. He can't be worse than Carmichael. At least he adapts and has got the offensive line running better. Our early season oline struggled might be attributed to forcing Penning to start at all costs to justify Loomis, Ireland, and DA's pick and trade to get Penning, and Marrone may have been a victim of that. None of this is to say Curry is a bad pick. Never met the guy. He might be an amazing dynamic leader and the next star head coach. Or he might be super meak and shy and afraid of leadership and a poor man's Carmichael brought in to make Carmichael feel like the ultimate alpha coach. But I don't see Curry as the only option. We need accountability. Any change removing the guy who is failing now shows accountability, and even changing to a coach who is completely equally incompetent might improve the performance of the team just by sending the message that everyone is accountable and has to prove themselves not just count on a spot because they are in tight with Pete. As for Pete Carmichael don't worry about him. He stuck with Dalton and Carr over Winston at all costs. There will always be a gun and a badge waiting for him at the Kenner PD. Josh Dobbs didn't learn the playbook. They've been basically playing street ball with him drawing up plays in the dirt.

11-15-2023, 10:43 AM	#5
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11-15-2023, 11:45 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by Sinner Is Dennis Allen gone yet? Nope. And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity. 12-14 as Saints HC . rezburna likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by K Major Nope. And the organization will stay stuck in mediocrity. 12-14 as Saints HC . We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell. 19-23-1 as Lions HC An organization stuck in mediocrity.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell. 19-23-1 as Lions HC An organization stuck in mediocrity. What happens when you mix some unrelated statistics with some whataboutism, and throw in an unhealthy dose of Xanax, while being a masochist disguised as a Saints Fan? Nothing. “Just keep doing what you’re doing.” K Major likes this.
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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We need an upgrade like Dan Campbell. 19-23-1 as Lions HC An organization stuck in mediocrity. Dan Campbell actually improved and has turned that franchise around and leading the division with a 7-3 record with a team that looks inspired to play. Allen looks to actually be regressing, or at the least, remaining mundane and uninspiring….you know, mediocre. Allen has never coached a team and produced results like what Campbell is doing with his jnormand, Rugby Saint II, Sinner and 1 others like this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: DENNIS ALLEN… I found more on Dennis Allen's head coaching record. In 63 career games as a head coach with the Raiders and Saints he has never beat a team that has both a winning record and it's starting QB starting. He has 1 win against a winning team with a backup QB starting, that was Gardner Minshew with the Eagles, his only such win in 5 years as a head coach. Gardner Minshew lost both his starts with the Eagles last year. So in 63 career games as a head coach, Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team unless they started a winless QB. neugey, Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.
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