OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)

Sinner · 11-13-2023, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I haven’t listened to any talking heads.

I wish I had your optimism bro. But I just haven’t seen anything to give me any confidence in this team getting anywhere close to its potential.

That said, I feel like this same team would be much better with another head coach and OC.

We need a new Head Coach.

K Major · 11-15-2023, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

We need a new Head Coach.

In the last year and a half, the Saints have looked terrible.

Barring any post-season run (with this roster & QB

just "getting there" isn't good enough), the front office needs to say enough is enough.

10 games in the books, we have yet to defeat a contender/team headed for the postseason. Only bottom feeders & we're 5 & 5? Wow.

Olave and Carr have zero chemistry. Jamaal was a baller in Detroit last season, but here ... outside of the injury, he's been mid. Taysom isn't even given opportunities to help when you need a big play.

Such a boring offense to watch with Allen and Carmichael.

Danno · 11-13-2023, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I haven’t listened to any talking heads.

I wish I had your optimism bro. But I just haven’t seen anything to give me any confidence in this team getting anywhere close to its potential.

That said, I feel like this same team would be much better with another head coach and OC.

I wonder what Andy Reid could do with this team? Or even Payton?

Sinner · 11-13-2023, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wonder what Andy Reid could do with this team? Or even Payton?

Nothing, because Dennis Allen AINT goin nowhere.

TheOak · 11-14-2023, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wonder what Andy Reid could do with this team? Or even Payton?

I wonder what Tom would do were he alive, or Gayle if she watched the games.

Thirty3 · 11-16-2023, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I haven’t listened to any talking heads.

I wish I had your optimism bro. But I just haven’t seen anything to give me any confidence in this team getting anywhere close to its potential.

That said, I feel like this same team would be much better with another head coach and OC.

I get it if you judge their entire tenure including results during COVID. Nobody could have done anything with the team affected as they were that year. That's also the year that Hill had a couple of starts behind an oline that started more players than any other team due to illness and injury - and by which he is mostly judged. For me ... the jury is still out. This years woes have been oline (which has improved) and penalties at inopportune times. I like the hustle i've seen from most players. ADEBO has played lights out as has Kamara and Hill and Shaheed and..... Carr has improved ... and the list of positives is too long to list. I think they just needed playing time together. Criticised limited play in preseason. Olave has had something going on until last game produced somewhat. Drew had a slow start to his career in N.O. too. It took the GOAT awhile. I'm good with where Carr is. Again if the TEAM holds it together and stops the penalties - super optimism.

K Major · 11-16-2023, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Carr has improved ... and the list of positives is too long to list. I think they just needed playing time together. Criticised limited play in preseason. Olave has had something going on until last game produced somewhat. Drew had a slow start to his career in N.O. too. It took the GOAT awhile. I'm good with where Carr is. Again if the TEAM holds it together and stops the penalties - super optimism.

Improved? That's a stretch. He's been below average at best.

So far he is the king of check downs & is still missing OPEN WR's.

And folks need to stop it with the Carr to Brees comparisions. Drew didn't have a "slow start" to his career in New Orleans. He went 10-6, won the south, won the divisonal rd vs Philly & was one win short of a Super Bowl berth (lost to the Bears) .. all in his very first season in New Orleans.

K Major · 11-14-2023, 09:39 AM

Some hate to hear the truth from Matt Moscona.
And I agree on his points regarding Carr & the Saints defense. It's average at best.

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AsylumGuido · 11-14-2023, 05:15 PM

I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession of the 2nd half.

1st & 10 Kamara off left tackle for 7 yards
2nd & 3 Jamaal Williams off right guard for 2 yards
3rd & 1 Jamaal Williams (again) up the middle for no gain
4th & 1 we are forced to punt

What the hell? Feed the ball to Kamara as long as he's moving it. We just came out of the halftime and Kamara is fresh. What's the point of bringing in Jamaal at that point? Carmichael far too often abandons what is working to stick to some sort of script at the beginning of games and the second half. I can see scripting until you find a successful tendency at the beginning of games, but use what you learn. Be flexible.

neugey · 11-14-2023, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession of the 2nd half.

1st & 10 Kamara off left tackle for 7 yards
2nd & 3 Jamaal Williams off right guard for 2 yards
3rd & 1 Jamaal Williams (again) up the middle for no gain
4th & 1 we are forced to punt

What the hell? Feed the ball to Kamara as long as he's moving it. We just came out of the halftime and Kamara is fresh. What's the point of bringing in Jamaal at that point? Carmichael far too often abandons what is working to stick to some sort of script at the beginning of games and the second half. I can see scripting until you find a successful tendency at the beginning of games, but use what you learn. Be flexible.

Carmichael makes everything harder than it really is. If this team had any sense he'd be fired during the bye and you'd see him ringing the Salvation Army bell at Wal Mart in a few weeks. And he'd probably turn that into a debacle too.

11-13-2023, 08:00 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by jnormand I haven’t listened to any talking heads. I wish I had your optimism bro. But I just haven’t seen anything to give me any confidence in this team getting anywhere close to its potential. That said, I feel like this same team would be much better with another head coach and OC. We need a new Head Coach.
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11-15-2023, 11:57 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by Sinner We need a new Head Coach. In the last year and a half, the Saints have looked terrible. Barring any post-season run (with this roster & QB just "getting there" isn't good enough), the front office needs to say enough is enough. 10 games in the books, we have yet to defeat a contender/team headed for the postseason. Only bottom feeders & we're 5 & 5? Wow. Olave and Carr have zero chemistry. Jamaal was a baller in Detroit last season, but here ... outside of the injury, he's been mid. Taysom isn't even given opportunities to help when you need a big play. Such a boring offense to watch with Allen and Carmichael. Danno, leilung, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

11-13-2023, 08:04 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by jnormand I haven’t listened to any talking heads. I wish I had your optimism bro. But I just haven’t seen anything to give me any confidence in this team getting anywhere close to its potential. That said, I feel like this same team would be much better with another head coach and OC. I wonder what Andy Reid could do with this team? Or even Payton? jnormand likes this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by Danno I wonder what Andy Reid could do with this team? Or even Payton? Nothing, because Dennis Allen AINT goin nowhere. K Major likes this.
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11-14-2023, 02:09 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by Danno I wonder what Andy Reid could do with this team? Or even Payton? I wonder what Tom would do were he alive, or Gayle if she watched the games. Sinner and K Major like this.

11-16-2023, 05:35 PM	#6
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by jnormand I haven’t listened to any talking heads. I wish I had your optimism bro. But I just haven’t seen anything to give me any confidence in this team getting anywhere close to its potential. That said, I feel like this same team would be much better with another head coach and OC. I get it if you judge their entire tenure including results during COVID. Nobody could have done anything with the team affected as they were that year. That's also the year that Hill had a couple of starts behind an oline that started more players than any other team due to illness and injury - and by which he is mostly judged. For me ... the jury is still out. This years woes have been oline (which has improved) and penalties at inopportune times. I like the hustle i've seen from most players. ADEBO has played lights out as has Kamara and Hill and Shaheed and..... Carr has improved ... and the list of positives is too long to list. I think they just needed playing time together. Criticised limited play in preseason. Olave has had something going on until last game produced somewhat. Drew had a slow start to his career in N.O. too. It took the GOAT awhile. I'm good with where Carr is. Again if the TEAM holds it together and stops the penalties - super optimism.
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11-16-2023, 06:16 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by Thirty3 Carr has improved ... and the list of positives is too long to list. I think they just needed playing time together. Criticised limited play in preseason. Olave has had something going on until last game produced somewhat. Drew had a slow start to his career in N.O. too. It took the GOAT awhile. I'm good with where Carr is. Again if the TEAM holds it together and stops the penalties - super optimism. Improved? That's a stretch. He's been below average at best. So far he is the king of check downs & is still missing OPEN WR's. And folks need to stop it with the Carr to Brees comparisions. Drew didn't have a "slow start" to his career in New Orleans. He went 10-6, won the south, won the divisonal rd vs Philly & was one win short of a Super Bowl berth (lost to the Bears) .. all in his very first season in New Orleans. cmike and Sinner like this.

11-14-2023, 05:15 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession of the 2nd half. 1st & 10 Kamara off left tackle for 7 yards 2nd & 3 Jamaal Williams off right guard for 2 yards 3rd & 1 Jamaal Williams (again) up the middle for no gain 4th & 1 we are forced to punt What the hell? Feed the ball to Kamara as long as he's moving it. We just came out of the halftime and Kamara is fresh. What's the point of bringing in Jamaal at that point? Carmichael far too often abandons what is working to stick to some sort of script at the beginning of games and the second half. I can see scripting until you find a successful tendency at the beginning of games, but use what you learn. Be flexible. rezburna likes this.
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11-14-2023, 05:35 PM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,834 Blog Entries: 13	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession of the 2nd half. 1st & 10 Kamara off left tackle for 7 yards 2nd & 3 Jamaal Williams off right guard for 2 yards 3rd & 1 Jamaal Williams (again) up the middle for no gain 4th & 1 we are forced to punt What the hell? Feed the ball to Kamara as long as he's moving it. We just came out of the halftime and Kamara is fresh. What's the point of bringing in Jamaal at that point? Carmichael far too often abandons what is working to stick to some sort of script at the beginning of games and the second half. I can see scripting until you find a successful tendency at the beginning of games, but use what you learn. Be flexible. Carmichael makes everything harder than it really is. If this team had any sense he'd be fired during the bye and you'd see him ringing the Salvation Army bell at Wal Mart in a few weeks. And he'd probably turn that into a debacle too. K Major likes this.