OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)

Sinner · 11-15-2023, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession of the 2nd half.

1st & 10 Kamara off left tackle for 7 yards
2nd & 3 Jamaal Williams off right guard for 2 yards
3rd & 1 Jamaal Williams (again) up the middle for no gain
4th & 1 we are forced to punt

What the hell? Feed the ball to Kamara as long as he's moving it. We just came out of the halftime and Kamara is fresh. What's the point of bringing in Jamaal at that point? Carmichael far too often abandons what is working to stick to some sort of script at the beginning of games and the second half. I can see scripting until you find a successful tendency at the beginning of games, but use what you learn. Be flexible.

See, the problem is that you’re talking to Fans, when you should be talking to Ownership, by cancelling your subscription to season tickets until this broken mess is fixed.

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2023, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

See, the problem is that you’re talking to Fans, when you should be talking to Ownership, by cancelling your subscription to season tickets until this broken mess is fixed.

It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.

Sinner · 11-15-2023, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.

No I wouldn’t. I don’t.

BakoSaint · 11-15-2023, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.

The whole sell out era was built on mass house cleaning firings. The sell outs started in 2006, and coming back from Katrina was part of the excitement, but moving on from Haslett and Brooks was the biggest part. You could not give away tickets in Baton Rouge to watch those jokers lose. For many in New Orleans, the waters did not recede until Haslett's office was boxed up and his insufferable excuses about just needing to execute a little better and how the ball didnt bounce our way and if you just didnt have such and such mistake or how we would commit slightly more to the run or open up the offense slightly more after he watched the tape were finally over for good. Had we trotted out Haslett and Brooks again in 2006, New Orleans would have found some other way to celebrate the resurgence of the city that did not involve the Saints. So if you think we will always sell out because we sold out for 15 years and fans will fear a wait list, I say that if there is one way to stop selling out season tickets, it is to return to the conditions we had before we sold out, to come full circle with another Jim Haslett and another Aaron Brooks. Some fans will hold onto tickets a couple more years with FOMO due to the long wait lists of the 2000-2010's, but in the long run the only surefire way to burn those fans loyalty is to undo the the thing that gained their loyalty in the first place, being willing to fire lousy coaches and overrated players.

mapcow · 11-16-2023, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.

Uhh... no. a fool and his money are soon parted.

dizzle88 · 11-14-2023, 05:55 PM

Notice how the Bills aren't scared to make a coaching change when they see an issue with their offense.

Dennis Allen is happy with the team being mediocre so he can just continue saying "we need to be better"

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2023, 10:12 AM

This here ...

cmike · 11-16-2023, 07:00 PM

It think Carr is leaning over that QB cliff with a strong wind at his back.

BakoSaint · 11-16-2023, 10:36 PM

FYI for reference I looked it up and it appears both the Falcons and Panthers do not currently have a wait list for season tickets. Panthers PSL's can be bought from third party at a discount. The Bucs did not have a wait list before they brought in Brady, then they built up a wait list. But under Brady they required fans to make a 2 year commitment to get new season tickets, so many fans who signed up in 2022 could not cancel this offseason and will likely be gone after this year. Wait lists come and go. Ours was built on Brees and Paytons sustained success. As long as we are just another NFC South mediocre team, we should not expect our wait list will last when others didn't. Its not like New Orleans is some giant market with all the fortune 500 companies. There is no wait list for Pelicans tickets. If we don't win, we are just the Pelicans.

AsylumGuido · 11-17-2023, 08:24 AM

Scalpers definitely make up a sizable portion of the season ticket base. That's one reason why it remains so difficult to get season tickets. Those third party season ticket holders market mainly to visiting fans. There are large sections every home game that are always filled by opposing fans. They are also dispersed through the dome. It doesn't matter how good or how bad Saints happen to be, the fans from other regions still show up in droves. Unlike Carolina, Tampa, and especially Atlanta, New Orleans is a very hot tourist destination. The Quarter is always packed by opposing fans. New Orleans routinely ranks at the very top of the list for away game destinations.

If season tickets are dropped those scalpers you mention will readily swoop them up since, as pointed out, they are in the same waiting list as fans. The point is the demand is still there for the season tickets regardless of how the Saints are performing.

11-15-2023, 10:24 AM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession of the 2nd half. 1st & 10 Kamara off left tackle for 7 yards 2nd & 3 Jamaal Williams off right guard for 2 yards 3rd & 1 Jamaal Williams (again) up the middle for no gain 4th & 1 we are forced to punt What the hell? Feed the ball to Kamara as long as he's moving it. We just came out of the halftime and Kamara is fresh. What's the point of bringing in Jamaal at that point? Carmichael far too often abandons what is working to stick to some sort of script at the beginning of games and the second half. I can see scripting until you find a successful tendency at the beginning of games, but use what you learn. Be flexible. See, the problem is that you’re talking to Fans, when you should be talking to Ownership, by cancelling your subscription to season tickets until this broken mess is fixed.
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11-15-2023, 11:06 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,849	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by Sinner See, the problem is that you’re talking to Fans, when you should be talking to Ownership, by cancelling your subscription to season tickets until this broken mess is fixed. It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-15-2023, 03:36 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way. No I wouldn’t. I don’t.
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11-15-2023, 07:59 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,439	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way. The whole sell out era was built on mass house cleaning firings. The sell outs started in 2006, and coming back from Katrina was part of the excitement, but moving on from Haslett and Brooks was the biggest part. You could not give away tickets in Baton Rouge to watch those jokers lose. For many in New Orleans, the waters did not recede until Haslett's office was boxed up and his insufferable excuses about just needing to execute a little better and how the ball didnt bounce our way and if you just didnt have such and such mistake or how we would commit slightly more to the run or open up the offense slightly more after he watched the tape were finally over for good. Had we trotted out Haslett and Brooks again in 2006, New Orleans would have found some other way to celebrate the resurgence of the city that did not involve the Saints. So if you think we will always sell out because we sold out for 15 years and fans will fear a wait list, I say that if there is one way to stop selling out season tickets, it is to return to the conditions we had before we sold out, to come full circle with another Jim Haslett and another Aaron Brooks. Some fans will hold onto tickets a couple more years with FOMO due to the long wait lists of the 2000-2010's, but in the long run the only surefire way to burn those fans loyalty is to undo the the thing that gained their loyalty in the first place, being willing to fire lousy coaches and overrated players. MatthewT and Sinner like this.
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11-16-2023, 05:42 PM	#5
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way. Uhh... no. a fool and his money are soon parted. Sinner and K Major like this.
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11-14-2023, 05:55 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Notice how the Bills aren't scared to make a coaching change when they see an issue with their offense. Dennis Allen is happy with the team being mediocre so he can just continue saying "we need to be better" neugey and Sinner like this.

11-15-2023, 10:12 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,849	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) This here ... Twitter

11-16-2023, 07:00 PM	#8
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,448	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) It think Carr is leaning over that QB cliff with a strong wind at his back.

11-16-2023, 10:36 PM	#9
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,439	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) FYI for reference I looked it up and it appears both the Falcons and Panthers do not currently have a wait list for season tickets. Panthers PSL's can be bought from third party at a discount. The Bucs did not have a wait list before they brought in Brady, then they built up a wait list. But under Brady they required fans to make a 2 year commitment to get new season tickets, so many fans who signed up in 2022 could not cancel this offseason and will likely be gone after this year. Wait lists come and go. Ours was built on Brees and Paytons sustained success. As long as we are just another NFC South mediocre team, we should not expect our wait list will last when others didn't. Its not like New Orleans is some giant market with all the fortune 500 companies. There is no wait list for Pelicans tickets. If we don't win, we are just the Pelicans. Sinner likes this.
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11-17-2023, 08:24 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,849	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition) Scalpers definitely make up a sizable portion of the season ticket base. That's one reason why it remains so difficult to get season tickets. Those third party season ticket holders market mainly to visiting fans. There are large sections every home game that are always filled by opposing fans. They are also dispersed through the dome. It doesn't matter how good or how bad Saints happen to be, the fans from other regions still show up in droves. Unlike Carolina, Tampa, and especially Atlanta, New Orleans is a very hot tourist destination. The Quarter is always packed by opposing fans. New Orleans routinely ranks at the very top of the list for away game destinations. If season tickets are dropped those scalpers you mention will readily swoop them up since, as pointed out, they are in the same waiting list as fans. The point is the demand is still there for the season tickets regardless of how the Saints are performing.
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