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OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession ...

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Old 11-15-2023, 10:24 AM   #1
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Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)

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I see Carmichael's biggest issue is trying too hard the diversify the offense thinking he has to use all of his players, especially at RB. Perhaps it's his script. A perfect example was our first possession of the 2nd half.

1st & 10 Kamara off left tackle for 7 yards
2nd & 3 Jamaal Williams off right guard for 2 yards
3rd & 1 Jamaal Williams (again) up the middle for no gain
4th & 1 we are forced to punt

What the hell? Feed the ball to Kamara as long as he's moving it. We just came out of the halftime and Kamara is fresh. What's the point of bringing in Jamaal at that point? Carmichael far too often abandons what is working to stick to some sort of script at the beginning of games and the second half. I can see scripting until you find a successful tendency at the beginning of games, but use what you learn. Be flexible.
See, the problem is that you’re talking to Fans, when you should be talking to Ownership, by cancelling your subscription to season tickets until this broken mess is fixed.
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See, the problem is that you’re talking to Fans, when you should be talking to Ownership, by cancelling your subscription to season tickets until this broken mess is fixed.
It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.
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It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.
No I wouldn’t. I don’t.
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No I wouldn’t. I don’t.
What is clear is that season tickets mean more to those of us that hold them than does those that do do not for whatever reason. You cannot say with any certainty what you would do had you waited impatiently for 15 years to finally get those tickets.

Even as forlorn as you envision our Saints today, there's no reason to expect them to be as bad as you imagine for the next decade or more to come. If we were to give up our tickets as some sort of protest we may not be alive when the next opportunity to get them back arises.

Look back at the 1980 season when Buddy "D" called upon fans to boycott the games or in other words forfeit their game tickets. The fans refused en masse. It was then that Buddy "D" proposed the wearing of bags instead. Win or lose those ticket holders valued their seats too much to give them up. It's the very same now.

It is so easy give up something you do not have personally to hope to make a point.
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What is clear is that season tickets mean more to those of us that hold them than does those that do do not for whatever reason. You cannot say with any certainty what you would do had you waited impatiently for 15 years to finally get those tickets.

Even as forlorn as you envision our Saints today, there's no reason to expect them to be as bad as you imagine for the next decade or more to come. If we were to give up our tickets as some sort of protest we may not be alive when the next opportunity to get them back arises.

Look back at the 1980 season when Buddy "D" called upon fans to boycott the games or in other words forfeit their game tickets. The fans refused en masse. It was then that Buddy "D" proposed the wearing of bags instead. Win or lose those ticket holders valued their seats too much to give them up. It's the very same now.

It is so easy give up something you do not have personally to hope to make a point.

Then “Just keep doing what you’re doing”.
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Then “Just keep doing what you’re doing”.
Given the fact is that there is nothing either you or I can do personally that will affect the success or failure of the Saints I will gladly keep doing what I'm doing. I am impressed that you finally understand.

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Given the fact is that there is nothing either you or I can do personally that will affect the success or failure of the Saints I will gladly keep doing what I'm doing. I am impressed that you finally understand.

Given the fact that you value your season tickets more than AFFECTING CHANGE through NON PARTICIPATION, your masochism and Stockholm syndrome fail to impress… woefully.
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It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.
The whole sell out era was built on mass house cleaning firings. The sell outs started in 2006, and coming back from Katrina was part of the excitement, but moving on from Haslett and Brooks was the biggest part. You could not give away tickets in Baton Rouge to watch those jokers lose. For many in New Orleans, the waters did not recede until Haslett's office was boxed up and his insufferable excuses about just needing to execute a little better and how the ball didnt bounce our way and if you just didnt have such and such mistake or how we would commit slightly more to the run or open up the offense slightly more after he watched the tape were finally over for good. Had we trotted out Haslett and Brooks again in 2006, New Orleans would have found some other way to celebrate the resurgence of the city that did not involve the Saints. So if you think we will always sell out because we sold out for 15 years and fans will fear a wait list, I say that if there is one way to stop selling out season tickets, it is to return to the conditions we had before we sold out, to come full circle with another Jim Haslett and another Aaron Brooks. Some fans will hold onto tickets a couple more years with FOMO due to the long wait lists of the 2000-2010's, but in the long run the only surefire way to burn those fans loyalty is to undo the the thing that gained their loyalty in the first place, being willing to fire lousy coaches and overrated players.
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The whole sell out era was built on mass house cleaning firings. The sell outs started in 2006, and coming back from Katrina was part of the excitement, but moving on from Haslett and Brooks was the biggest part. You could not give away tickets in Baton Rouge to watch those jokers lose. For many in New Orleans, the waters did not recede until Haslett's office was boxed up and his insufferable excuses about just needing to execute a little better and how the ball didnt bounce our way and if you just didnt have such and such mistake or how we would commit slightly more to the run or open up the offense slightly more after he watched the tape were finally over for good. Had we trotted out Haslett and Brooks again in 2006, New Orleans would have found some other way to celebrate the resurgence of the city that did not involve the Saints. So if you think we will always sell out because we sold out for 15 years and fans will fear a wait list, I say that if there is one way to stop selling out season tickets, it is to return to the conditions we had before we sold out, to come full circle with another Jim Haslett and another Aaron Brooks. Some fans will hold onto tickets a couple more years with FOMO due to the long wait lists of the 2000-2010's, but in the long run the only surefire way to burn those fans loyalty is to undo the the thing that gained their loyalty in the first place, being willing to fire lousy coaches and overrated players.
It's easy to think that way for anyone that doesn't hold season tickets. It's like the unemployed person that tells the guy with a job to quit to make a point.

How many games do you attend on an annual basis?
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It's easy to think that way for anyone that doesn't hold season tickets. It's like the unemployed person that tells the guy with a job to quit to make a point.

How many games do you attend on an annual basis?
I had season tickets for over 20 years. I moved across the country but my dad is still in New Orleans. I moved to Houston after about 10 years as a season ticket holder but my dad was still in New Orleans and I still kept the tickets and I flew or drove in for most of the games. When I moved to California after 4 years in Houston we kept the tickets for some 7 more years and I flew back for games when I could, my dad went to some games, we gave some to friends and family, and we sold some. I was in the dome for the No Call game. After that crushing BS, and having a kid where it got harder to travel, and the Saints struggles that made it harder to sell the tickets to games none of us could attend, we finally decided to drop the tickets. My dad was getting older and often preferred to avoid the cars and traffic and just watch on his big screen, and it was so hard for me to travel much with a young child who had grandparents in 3 different states. It became easier for me to just buy tickets to a game if we visited.

I know what its like to have season tickets. I just didn't wait 15 years for them. I walked up with a credit card when we were talking about drafting Ricky Williams and Ditka was coach. I stayed until Goodell proved it was half rigged anyway. There are a lot of fans whose patience with Dennis Allen may be limited, and at some point if he is the next Ditka, there will be no waiting list and they will be able to walk back up and buy tickets when he is fired.
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