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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by voodooido You people have to make up your mind. Are you mad because we retained DA, because he was not bringing in any FA, or because you are a miserable human being? The fact is, he has ...

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Old 03-18-2024, 06:06 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by voodooido View Post
You people have to make up your mind. Are you mad because we retained DA, because he was not bringing in any FA, or because you are a miserable human being? The fact is, he has had one year. I do not think he is the best we could have gotten but give the man a chance. If he falls on his face this year, I'll join the fire DA chant with you.
Actually two years, and an additional three years with the Raiders.
He’s done nothing to make me feel he’s a head coach that will lead us to winning seasons and a championship in his five year tenure as a head coach.
Add in the fact that it was a team decision to go against his orders in that last game is not a good look for him. I’m not a fan of him as a head coach until he proves himself, and he’s yet to do that. I want results, not hopes and dreams
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton View Post
Actually two years, and an additional three years with the Raiders.
He’s done nothing to make me feel he’s a head coach that will lead us to winning seasons and a championship in his five year tenure as a head coach.
Add in the fact that it was a team decision to go against his orders in that last game is not a good look for him. I’m not a fan of him as a head coach until he proves himself, and he’s yet to do that. I want results, not hopes and dreams
So what you're saying is that Allen's HC seat is hot?
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Old 03-18-2024, 07:05 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by voodooido View Post
You people have to make up your mind. Are you mad because we retained DA, because he was not bringing in any FA, or because you are a miserable human being? The fact is, he has had one year. I do not think he is the best we could have gotten but give the man a chance. If he falls on his face this year, I'll join the fire DA chant with you.
I am very consistent. I am mad because we retained Dennis Allen and I am mad because we did not rebuild. I don't believe we could win without a rebuild under any coach and I don't think we could win under Dennis Allen even with a genius rebuild, so I will be mad if we don't do both unless I am proven wrong by results.

Renting an injury prone lazy first round bust for $13 million for the year at DE less than 12 months after signing both our existing starting DE's to fresh new contracts is not consistent with rebuilding. My argument was never that our cap situation prevents us from signing 1-2 big free agents, its that we are more than 1-2 big free agents away from winning because those 1-2 big free agents are a break even wash when weighed against the aging of our core, and the only way we can afford them is by restructuring and extending our aging core and letting promise young players like Hendrickson, Ellis, and Yiadom walk.

Dennis Allen has had 5 years as head coach and he has never beat a winning team with their true franchise QB starting. When he occasionally beats a winning team its with a journeyman Baker Mayfield on trial, Gardner Minshew filling in, etc. He is a proven mediocre commodity.

I would not be celebrating the Chase Young signing if Sean Payton was still here. I have been critical of Mickey Loomis' cap management for over 5 years. This reminds me of the Nick Fairley signing. Hopefully it is not so big of a disaster. Fairley took Loomis for all he was worth. He flashed ok production the first year, signed a long term deal, and immediately went to see his own doctor about a pre-existing condition the Saints didn't bother to check out and kept all the guaranteed money from that big deal without ever playing a down. Mickey Loomis has been dead to me since then. He probably forgot to order a thorough physical that covered pre-existing conditions before the Fairley extension because he was drunk. The years of the Fairley contract were the key window years of Drew Brees peak. I can see the same thing happening with Young. He was a borderline draft bust like Fairley, had injury and effort concerns like Fairley, had to sign a prove-it deal with us like Fairley, and either he is totally unproductive for us, or he manages to at least be ok. History tells us that if he is at least ok, Loomis will jump to sign him to a monster extension, maybe even early in-season, and then he will slack off and blame injury.

One thing that will be critical in 2024 is how the NFL orders the games for the Saints schedule. If we play teams like the Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers, Eagles, Browns, Rams, and even the Cousins Falcons (if he is back week 1) and Mayfield Bucs early, we may get off to a slow start. But if we play the Panthers, Giants, Raiders, and Broncos for our first 4 games, its possible we could start hot at 3-1 and lead Loomis to give himself, Allen, Carr, Young, etc new long term contracts. Last season our weak schedule which started with especially weak opponents led to giving Ruiz and Granderson unmerited contract extensions, and would have led to extensions for DA and Loomis if we had beat the Packers. Hopefully our schedule will start with the prove it games against teams like Dallas and KC so that if anyone wants an extension they have to earn it.
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I am very consistent. I am mad because we retained Dennis Allen and I am mad because we did not rebuild. I don't believe we could win without a rebuild under any coach and I don't think we could win under Dennis Allen even with a genius rebuild, so I will be mad if we don't do both unless I am proven wrong by results.

Renting an injury prone lazy first round bust for $13 million for the year at DE less than 12 months after signing both our existing starting DE's to fresh new contracts is not consistent with rebuilding. My argument was never that our cap situation prevents us from signing 1-2 big free agents, its that we are more than 1-2 big free agents away from winning because those 1-2 big free agents are a break even wash when weighed against the aging of our core, and the only way we can afford them is by restructuring and extending our aging core and letting promise young players like Hendrickson, Ellis, and Yiadom walk.

Dennis Allen has had 5 years as head coach and he has never beat a winning team with their true franchise QB starting. When he occasionally beats a winning team its with a journeyman Baker Mayfield on trial, Gardner Minshew filling in, etc. He is a proven mediocre commodity.

I would not be celebrating the Chase Young signing if Sean Payton was still here. I have been critical of Mickey Loomis' cap management for over 5 years. This reminds me of the Nick Fairley signing. Hopefully it is not so big of a disaster. Fairley took Loomis for all he was worth. He flashed ok production the first year, signed a long term deal, and immediately went to see his own doctor about a pre-existing condition the Saints didn't bother to check out and kept all the guaranteed money from that big deal without ever playing a down. Mickey Loomis has been dead to me since then. He probably forgot to order a thorough physical that covered pre-existing conditions before the Fairley extension because he was drunk. The years of the Fairley contract were the key window years of Drew Brees peak. I can see the same thing happening with Young. He was a borderline draft bust like Fairley, had injury and effort concerns like Fairley, had to sign a prove-it deal with us like Fairley, and either he is totally unproductive for us, or he manages to at least be ok. History tells us that if he is at least ok, Loomis will jump to sign him to a monster extension, maybe even early in-season, and then he will slack off and blame injury.
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Old 03-18-2024, 08:14 PM   #5
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I am very consistent. I am mad because we retained Dennis Allen and I am mad because we did not rebuild. I don't believe we could win without a rebuild under any coach and I don't think we could win under Dennis Allen even with a genius rebuild, so I will be mad if we don't do both unless I am proven wrong by results.

Renting an injury prone lazy first round bust for $13 million for the year at DE less than 12 months after signing both our existing starting DE's to fresh new contracts is not consistent with rebuilding. My argument was never that our cap situation prevents us from signing 1-2 big free agents, its that we are more than 1-2 big free agents away from winning because those 1-2 big free agents are a break even wash when weighed against the aging of our core, and the only way we can afford them is by restructuring and extending our aging core and letting promise young players like Hendrickson, Ellis, and Yiadom walk.

Dennis Allen has had 5 years as head coach and he has never beat a winning team with their true franchise QB starting. When he occasionally beats a winning team its with a journeyman Baker Mayfield on trial, Gardner Minshew filling in, etc. He is a proven mediocre commodity.

I would not be celebrating the Chase Young signing if Sean Payton was still here. I have been critical of Mickey Loomis' cap management for over 5 years. This reminds me of the Nick Fairley signing. Hopefully it is not so big of a disaster. Fairley took Loomis for all he was worth. He flashed ok production the first year, signed a long term deal, and immediately went to see his own doctor about a pre-existing condition the Saints didn't bother to check out and kept all the guaranteed money from that big deal without ever playing a down. Mickey Loomis has been dead to me since then. He probably forgot to order a thorough physical that covered pre-existing conditions before the Fairley extension because he was drunk. The years of the Fairley contract were the key window years of Drew Brees peak. I can see the same thing happening with Young. He was a borderline draft bust like Fairley, had injury and effort concerns like Fairley, had to sign a prove-it deal with us like Fairley, and either he is totally unproductive for us, or he manages to at least be ok. History tells us that if he is at least ok, Loomis will jump to sign him to a monster extension, maybe even early in-season, and then he will slack off and blame injury.

One thing that will be critical in 2024 is how the NFL orders the games for the Saints schedule. If we play teams like the Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers, Eagles, Browns, Rams, and even the Cousins Falcons (if he is back week 1) and Mayfield Bucs early, we may get off to a slow start. But if we play the Panthers, Giants, Raiders, and Broncos for our first 4 games, its possible we could start hot at 3-1 and lead Loomis to give himself, Allen, Carr, Young, etc new long term contracts. Last season our weak schedule which started with especially weak opponents led to giving Ruiz and Granderson unmerited contract extensions, and would have led to extensions for DA and Loomis if we had beat the Packers. Hopefully our schedule will start with the prove it games against teams like Dallas and KC so that if anyone wants an extension they have to earn it.
I'm not ready for a rebuild. I believe we have a good nucleus. We can add a few pieces we are right in the mix for the playoffs. If we lay another turd I'll join you in calling for a rebuilding.
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Hadn't seen it posted anywhere so ...

The #Saints are expected to sign former #Vikings G/T Oli Udoh to a 1-year deal, per source.

FYI, he played with Kubiak up in Minnesota.
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I would say its complicated to tell what the majority of people think. I believe a lot of Saints fans want change and are not happy with this regime. The thing is, a lot of fans who are tired of this regime do not have the energy to contribute on a message board. If you look on the message boards, Derek Carr has a lot of support from some, but in the real games in the dome he did get openly booed by the Saints crowd. So fans who want big changes and don't believe in the direction Mickey Loomis has committed the team to are a large group of fans, enough to take over the dome. And that is even after the fact that just like many disgruntled fans don't have the energy to contribute on the message boards, many also don't want to spend time and money attending games without more to be excited about. So the crowds that openly booed Derek Carr in the dome were probably disproportionately made up of positive pro-Carr, pro-DA, pro-Loomis fans, yet they still booed. When you get into the lowest effort forms of feedback like commenting on a facebook post about the Saints, you see a lot of fans wanting change, who maybe have not seen enough from the franchise the past few years to want to engage on message boards or attend games until there is something to be excited about. Fans who want change are not some small minority, there are many many of us. Whether thats 60% or 40% would cost a lot of money to estimate.
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I would say its complicated to tell what the majority of people think. I believe a lot of Saints fans want change and are not happy with this regime. The thing is, a lot of fans who are tired of this regime do not have the energy to contribute on a message board. If you look on the message boards, Derek Carr has a lot of support from some, but in the real games in the dome he did get openly booed by the Saints crowd. So fans who want big changes and don't believe in the direction Mickey Loomis has committed the team to are a large group of fans, enough to take over the dome. And that is even after the fact that just like many disgruntled fans don't have the energy to contribute on the message boards, many also don't want to spend time and money attending games without more to be excited about. So the crowds that openly booed Derek Carr in the dome were probably disproportionately made up of positive pro-Carr, pro-DA, pro-Loomis fans, yet they still booed. When you get into the lowest effort forms of feedback like commenting on a facebook post about the Saints, you see a lot of fans wanting change, who maybe have not seen enough from the franchise the past few years to want to engage on message boards or attend games until there is something to be excited about. Fans who want change are not some small minority, there are many many of us. Whether thats 60% or 40% would cost a lot of money to estimate.
Were you even in a Dome crowd this past season? I was there for every game but one. A small minority of people booed sparingly in one or two games And they caught crap from fans around them. You are so full of hate and crap, dude.
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Were you even in a Dome crowd this past season? I was there for every game but one. A small minority of people booed sparingly in one or two games And they caught crap from fans around them. You are so full of hate and crap, dude.
Your SAINTS are full of crap, and you shovel them your money to feed crap to you every time you drive 10 hours round trip to gobble it up. The majority of Saints Fans don’t share your masochistic culinary addiction. It’s not “hate”. It’s a logical, sensible, sane and passionate desire to see the SAINTS PUT A WINNING TEAM ON THE FIELD.
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